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RE: god
Just pointing out that the post was not about Gods wrath, but rather about God not being present. You suggested God caused these things. The original post states that its due to the lack of Gods presents. Nothing more, or nothing less.
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i wasn't making a serious suggestion that these things were caused by any deity.
i was commenting on the tendency of certain people to blame all of society's problems on the seperation of church and state.
a tragedy can be just a tragedy without religious implications.
Not in our world David. In a Christian's world, nothing is by accident. We, or I follow the verse Romans 8:28. I try to follow it. Basically saying, if you love God then nothing is by accident. I realize you sure don't agree with this or believe inthis. Just wanted to give you some background on the matter.
Romans 8:28
And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose.
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True. I did. I was just addressing how some here love to do nothing more than gripe about what people are posting. You are not one of those, just took the opportunity to point that out, just happen to be at your expense. So excuse me for that.
No problem Burnie, Ive watched dozens of posts of a religous nature in here, even participated in a few and cant say I remember ever complaining about someone elses comments before.At the timeI posted my original comment Id just been through 2 or 3 posts in succesion where the topic was turned to someone elses belief in God or non belief in this case, by the same guy, looked like as good a time as any to mention it to him
Just pointing out that the post was not about Gods wrath, but rather about God not being present. You suggested God caused these things. The original post states that its due to the lack of Gods presents. Nothing more, or nothing less.
lack of Gods' presence?.... that's funny...oh, my side.
seriously..it's amazing how people can read the Word, written in English, yet not usnderstand a simple story.....
Weather related "tragedies" ARE caused...but not by just God, and mostly NOT by Him. take 1 hour and re-read the book of Job... it PLAINLY states that SATAN took the lives of Jobs family..HOW? read it again, and again, and again..and STOP BLAMING GOD. People don't wanna believe that SATAN controls as much as ALLOWED(which is alot,obviously) INCLUDING THE WEATHER......
i think maybe those kids at va tech died because some mentally unbalanced moron came unhinged.
blaming anyone else lets said moron off too easily.
i'd like to see the zealots quit hijacking every disaster to make the claim that these things happen because god is angry.
tsunami? god is angry.
shooting? god is angry.
stubbed your toe? god is angry.
You have that completely bakwards. It isn't because He is angry, but because PEOPLE rejected Him and His ways, resulting in the kind of climate that precipatates these kinds of 'morons coming unhinged'. Then . you and others want to turn around and blame HIm for sitting idly by,when He has put up warning,after warning,chance after chance, oppurtunity after oppurtunity, and still many men refuse to listen--and then we suffer the error of our ways, and innocent victims also are affected. That is WHY He warns us against sinful behavior, because the natural result is deviant behavior which leads to pain and suffering.. I tell my 6 year old not to put his hand on the stove when it is hot. He refuses to listen and gets burned--by the stove--not by me, and that means I am angry at him? The pain came form the disobedience.And just like any good parent, you or I would openly embrace and comfort such a child, even though they were responsible themselves. We would gently remind them that this was what we were trying to protect them from with our admonitions, and gladly accept their sorrow. But, how would you handle the child that glares back at you nad stubbornly puts his hand right back on the stove, and then gets mad at you becasue it hurts?When He is angry, it is because He knows that those who reject Him and His ways will eventually be involved in something that hurts others, and He is incensed, just like you and I when we warn, repeatedly, a child not to throw rocks in the direction of someone else, and they don't listen, and end up cracking,needlesly, someone's skull. His grace is greater, and His forgiveness is always available, but, those that absolutely will not adhere to Him and His ways, will reap what they sow. What is unfair about that? The only uinfair aspect about it at all is the innocent victims that are the result of OUR actions, and OUR choices! We have the freedom to act as we wish, but we also have the responsibility to answer for those actions, and their affect on others.
one problem with your argument is that i do not blame anyone for these things, other than those who pull the trigger.
i find those who blame god for tragedy just as wrong headed as those who blame it on his absence.
it uses the same mental mechanism to do either one.
What difference is there in whether you assign 'blame' to anyone, even as some will try to find anexcuse for this deranged individual--he must have been mistreated by his peers, etc.--. There is a reason that he ended up this way, and that he did what he did and why we do what we do.His 'abscence' is not the same as saying that He is not there,becasue He is, just like the parent who allowed his teenager to drive his car, with the warning of not going too fast or not to drink while driving. Does that parent then ride around in the car, pulling all of the strings as on a puppet to make sure that his directions are followed? Of course not. God speaks, and we don't listen, and then we get ourselves and others into trouble or we get hurt and others get hurt--there are consequences to actions, actions in direct opposition to God's commands,whether we say we are assigning blame or not. Reaping what we sow. Innocent victims suffer from our decisions, our transgressions. The fact that there are detrimental results to us and to th einnocent is exactly why God commands against it--for our protection and the protection of others.
The fact is that most do assign blame, asking over and over--where was God on 9/11?, or why did You let this happen to me?, or what did I do to deserve this?--on and on and on. You are right to say that it is lame to blame God. But, no it is not the same mentality to blame it on His abscence, well , actually our separating ourselves from Him, by our direct disobedience is a beter way of defining what many mean when they say abscence. H'es there--but if you or I point gun at someone and pull the trigger, He does not always intervene, nor should He, unless you want to be a puppet.
RE: god
