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Old 04-29-2007, 06:13 AM   #1
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Is the Bible true in everthing it says. Before you answer this ? you had better think because there is one more ? coming that is going to be hard to answer.
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Old 04-29-2007, 07:27 AM   #2
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Simply responding. . . .The Word of God is truth.
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Is the Bible true in everthing it says. Before you answer this ? you had better think because there is one more ? coming that is going to be hard to answer.
No, it contains errors. A simple and unambiguous one is that the Bible states the value of pi = 3.0 exactly whenit is actually an irrational number thatis approximately3.141592.... Other civilizations such as the Egyptians, Sumerians and Assyriansthat flourished during and even before the period in which the Bible was written had already calculated a much more accurate figure of close to 3.14.... The authors of the Bible were not only not omniscient as to the value of pi, they did not even know as much as their neighbors at that time knew.

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Is the Bible true in everthing it says. Before you answer this ? you had better think because there is one more ? coming that is going to be hard to answer.
No, it contains errors. A simple and unambiguous one is that the Bible states the value of pi = 3.0 exactly whenit is actually an irrational number thatis approximately3.141592.... Other civilizations such as the Egyptians, Sumerians and Assyriansthat flourished during and even before the period in which the Bible was written had already calculated a much more accurate figure of close to 3.14.... The authors of the Bible were not only not omniscient as to the value of pi, they did not even know as much as their neighbors at that time knew.

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Nowhere in the bible does it say it is 3. It says this. Quite a contrast in what you say, and what it says below. Every study Bible will tell you
that is, about 1 1/2 feet (about 0.5 meter). The Bible is about our salvation, not you passing calculus 2.

23 He made the Sea of cast metal, circular in shape, measuring ten cubitsfrom rim to rim and five cubits high. It took a line of thirty cubits to measure around it. 24 Below the rim, gourds encircled it"ten to a cubit. The gourds were cast in two rows in one piece with the Sea.
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Is the Bible true in everthing it says. Before you answer this ? you had better think because there is one more ? coming that is going to be hard to answer.
No, it contains errors. A simple and unambiguous one is that the Bible states the value of pi = 3.0 exactly whenit is actually an irrational number thatis approximately3.141592.... Other civilizations such as the Egyptians, Sumerians and Assyriansthat flourished during and even before the period in which the Bible was written had already calculated a much more accurate figure of close to 3.14.... The authors of the Bible were not only not omniscient as to the value of pi, they did not even know as much as their neighbors at that time knew.

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This is just silly! If the biblical computation had been 3.1, you could say, "wrong!" Had it been 3.14, you could say, "wrong." had it been 3.14159, you could say "wrong." Pi is an irrational number, and when calculated from dimensions of a circle, would have to be given as a rounded number. By the rules of rounding, 3.14159 ... can legitimately be given as 3. It's not accurate, but the auther of 1 Kings would have had to be concerned with mathematical accuracy rather than just relating the story he was telling. He could have said "about 10 cubits..." or something similar, but that was his perrogative. Big deal.
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Renfrowridge asked if there were any errors in the Bible. There is a passage in the Bible that clearly states a round vessel with a diameter of 10 cubits had a circumference of 30 cubits. If the authors of the Bible had only knownthe value of pi to an accuracysimilar to that of their contemporary neighbors such as the Egyptians, they would have know that the 10 cubit diameter vessel would have a circumference of almost 31.5 cubits. If nobody else at that time and in that areaknew the value of pi to an accuracy of better than about 3,I would give the authors of theBible a pass. However, even by the standards of the time and place, the value for pi implied in the Bible would have been considered to be seriously in error. This is clearly an error in a book that is supposed to be inerrant.

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Lets examine the passage more carefully. First, the Bible says that the molten sea was "ten cubits from brim to brim." This logically would be from the very edge of the rim on one side to the very farthest point on the opposite side. Second, the same verse declares that "a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about." What is the antecedent of "it?" Clearly it is the molten sea mentioned previously in the verse; therefore, the "line of 30 cubits" compasses the sea, or the liquid contained in the vessel. Taken exactly as described, the measurement appears to be the inner diameter of the basin--the distance around the sea.
When we realize that this molten sea has a thickness associated with it, the 10 cubits from brim to brim becomes the outer diameter, while the 30-cubit measurement describes the inner circumference. Since the diameter is obtained by simply dividing the circumference by (pi), the inner diameter can be calculated as 9.549 cubits. Additionally, the thickness of the vessel is found by taking half of the difference between the inner and outer diameter. Using the inner diameter just calculated and the given outer diameter of 10 cubits, the thickness is 0.225 or approximately 4 inches.
Furthermore, verse 5 of the same chapter adds validity to this conjecture. "And the thickness of it [the molten sea] was an handbreadth, and the brim of it like the work of the brim of a cup, with flowers of lilies, and it received and held three thousand baths." The outer brim was ornamented with lilies; thus, the outer rim had a jagged-like shape, and was not round like the inner rim. Henceforth, giving a dimension for the outside circumference would not have much meaning. Additionally, verse 5 indicates that the thickness of the vessel was "an handbreadth." While the exact length of the Biblical handbreadth differs according to various scholars, it literally means the breadth of a hand, or approximately 3 to 4 inches--precisely the same thickness as previously calculated!
Consequently, while this appears to be a straightforward error, a careful examination of the Biblical wording along with some common sense confirms that the Word of God is, in fact, infallible.
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Renfrowridge asked if there were any errors in the Bible. There is a passage in the Bible that clearly states a round vessel with a diameter of 10 cubits had a circumference of 30 cubits. If the authors of the Bible had only knownthe value of pi to an accuracysimilar to that of their contemporary neighbors such as the Egyptians, they would have know that the 10 cubit diameter vessel would have a circumference of almost 31.5 cubits. If nobody else at that time and in that areaknew the value of pi to an accuracy of better than about 3,I would give the authors of theBible a pass. However, even by the standards of the time and place, the value for pi implied in the Bible would have been considered to be seriously in error. This is clearly an error in a book that is supposed to be inerrant.

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So by your line of thought, you could say all math books are wrong, cause they don't take the number out to infinite decimal places? Or was jerimiah responsible to inform readers that its only accurate to X or Y significant digit?

How many times in the bible do you see decimal places anyway?

Maybe you dig down in yourerrancy web page you use to dig up answers for that.

Please tell me the limit of your knowledge here isn't just a google search?




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Renfrowridge asked if there were any errors in the Bible. There is a passage in the Bible that clearly states a round vessel with a diameter of 10 cubits had a circumference of 30 cubits. If the authors of the Bible had only knownthe value of pi to an accuracysimilar to that of their contemporary neighbors such as the Egyptians, they would have know that the 10 cubit diameter vessel would have a circumference of almost 31.5 cubits. If nobody else at that time and in that areaknew the value of pi to an accuracy of better than about 3,I would give the authors of theBible a pass. However, even by the standards of the time and place, the value for pi implied in the Bible would have been considered to be seriously in error. This is clearly an error in a book that is supposed to be inerrant.

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Boy, we are getting silly now. A cubit was a measurement that was approximately form the tip of the middle finger, to the end of th eelbow. It doesn't take a brain surgon--or a practitionerof nuclear medicine, to see the variations and the anything but precise measurement that this would have entailed. To compare this to pi is ludicrous.
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guys how hard can this be I ask a simply ? is the BiBle true.Who gives a rats butt if pi is 3.1 or 10.1 for that matter. I guess I will make it easy, in the Bible is everything GOD and Jesus SAYS TRUE.
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