Pay attention to yourselves! If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him, 4and if he sins against you seven times in the day, and turns to you seven times, saying, 'I repent,' you must forgive him."
What do you believe? I believe that the person must ask for forgiveness. How can we forgive someone that God has not forgiven?
Didn't Steven and Jesus forgive their enemies before they asked.? Did not Christ die for our sins when we "Were dead in tresspasses."?Proverbs also says "It's the glory of a man to overlook a transgression. Sure the Matt. 18 scripture and Luke scripture is great but sometimes we also need to take the entire councel of the Word. Love and grace prevail. We are to forgive folks in the matter that we would liketo be forgiven...with abounding grace.
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RE: forgiving those that do wrong to you?
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I bvelieve in mercy Moose..
Didn't Steven and Jesus forgive their enemies before they asked.? Did not Christ die for our sins when we "Were dead in tresspasses."?Proverbs also says "It's the glory of a man to overlook a transgression. Sure the Matt. 18 scripture and Luke scripture is great but sometimes we also need to take the entire councel of the Word. Love and grace prevail. We are to forgive folks in the matter that we would liketo be forgiven...with abounding grace.
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Amen Chuck .... not to mention, it is freeing for us when we forgive ...
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If you believe in the scriptures and the idea of tri-lateral forgiveness, then intercessory prayer should follow. We ask God to forgive that person for the wrong they have done unto us. Wheather they ask him for forgiveness is not of our concern. We should go to the Lord in prayer and with a open heart ask ask for forgiveness for them. That is a true sign of love as the Lord would have it. On the Cross, Jesus said , " forgive them Father, for they know not what they do." Jesus was not concerned wheather or not His persecutors had asked for their own forgiveness. He went to the Father for them.
The Bible is about true love and the condition of our heart, not how we perceive the hearts of others.
Matthew 5
43"œYou have heard the law that says, "˜Love your neighbor"™* and hate your enemy. 44But I say, love your enemies!* Pray for those who persecute you! 45In that way, you will be acting as true children of your Father in heaven. For he gives his sunlight to both the evil and the good, and he sends rain on the just and the unjust alike. 46If you love only those who love you, what reward is there for that? Even corrupt tax collectors do that much. 47If you are kind only to your friends,* how are you different from anyone else? Even pagans do that. 48But you are to be perfect, even as your Father in heaven is perfect.
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I believe that the person must ask for forgiveness. How can we forgive someone that God has not forgiven?
How do you know that God has not forgiven him? Who are you giving the glory too by not forgiving? You would be giving glory to yourself. Not denying oneself is not being humble but prideful. And God detests the prideful.
This is one that I have a hard time with, as I have had many people make transgressions against me lately, and seen them make transgressions against others, I have an internal "NEED FOR JUSTICE." If not for myself, for the people otherwise who were affected. As a Nurse working in a hospital, ethics are of extreme importance, and I have recently witnessed a severe lacking of ethics, which makes me desire JUSTICE. Not only for the wrongs done to me, but also for the wrongs done to my former co-workers, and those patients I cared for. I have a difficult time not being spiteful towards people who have lied about me, attacked me personally and professionally, and eventually stripped me of my livelihood that I fed my family with, and have used to pay my bills to keep my family safe and protected. Hopefully, I can find the strength to forgive, but that strength is hard to come by right now.
life is too short to harbour hate and resentment, not only are they making your life misrable, they are stealing "your time" but i understand what your saying, i have been there before and its not easy to "keep cool" in that kind of enviroment.Everyday i say prayers for the people i have conflicts with weather they want them or not, it has helped me more than i could have imagined, and the people i have conflicts we have become fewer and fewer. doug iwill continue to keep you in prayer, like i mentioned before a daily log may prove useful also in your current situation, i hope it dosen't come down to that but in never hurts to cover your own backside
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This is one that I have a hard time with, as I have had many people make transgressions against me lately, and seen them make transgressions against others,The same here Doug...honestly..God has been setting me free in deedbig time lately; however; with thefreedomI've been experiencing a large number of attacks from people .Generally when this happens ..you can KNOW FOR SURE..you are doing something right. As many on here have said...pray for them..do not let a root of bitterness set in. Praying for them helps you alot.I have an internal "NEED FOR JUSTICE." If not for myself, for the people otherwise who were affected.Well Doug...I don't know the situation butif something needs to be dealt with you needto seek God on howto deal with that situation.Diffently choose your battles. Lately I've had to deal with a few issues as well at work. We are to be humble and loving however; we are also toldto take up for the oppressed .I don't know your situation but if I was a patient in your work place I would hope you would do what is righteous. I'm a teacher and must put my children first. Therefore; sometimes I must wheel and deal with other teachers, bullies and parents.I'm the shepherd of my classroom. But ..silly offenses against me..I've learnedto quickly forgive.jesus said,"Agree with thy adversary quickly."...As a Nurse working in a hospital, ethics are of extreme importance, Amen to that.and I have recently witnessed a severe lacking of ethics, which makes me desire JUSTICE.And maybe you need to do something...pray first..."Be slowto anger but pray for God's wisdom." Not only for the wrongs done to me, but also for the wrongs done to my former co-workers, and those patients I cared for. Again pray..we have quite abit of oppression in our work place aswell..bottom line.MONEY Not knowing your situation I really can't say what to do...except what MTHands as said" pray." I have a difficult time not being spiteful towards people who have lied about me, Those ...if you are walking the walk that will become more often than you think. I can't believe all of the riff raff I've been seeing lately, but that is part of the Christian walk.."And those that will live godly SHALL suffer persecution."attacked me personally and professionally, and eventually stripped me of my livelihood that I fed my family with, and have used to pay my bills to keep my family safe and protected. Hopefully, I can find the strength to forgive, but that strength is hard to come by right now.Doug..like MTHands , I'll be praying for you. Jesus promiced this as well...
Psalm 34 :17The righteous cry, and the LORD heareth, and delivereth them out of all their troubles. 18The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit. 19 Many are the afflictions of the righteous: but the LORD delivereth him out of them all.
How can we forgive someone that God has not forgiven?
I think the question should be "do I want God to forgive me?"
Mar 11:25 And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.
Mar 11:26 But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.
This scripture says "if you have ought against any". That "ought" could simply be the fact that they haven't asked you for forgiveness when you feel you deserve it. We need to be careful about harboring those types of feelings, because they can cause a root of bitterness to start to form. Do you think it's a coincidence that in Ephesians 4:31-32, bitterness is addressed right next to the verse that talks about being kind and forgiving?
If somebody has done us wrong, it can be easy to justify them not deserving our mercy if they don't ask for it, but I want God to have mercy on me, so why not bestow it on others??????
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forgiving those that do wrong to you?
, it has helped me more than i could have imagined, and the people i have conflicts we have become fewer and fewer. doug iwill continue to keep you in prayer, like i mentioned before a daily log may prove useful also in your current situation
