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Old 02-06-2007, 10:16 AM   #1
 
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http://www.religionnewsblog.com/16451/kent-hovind-dr-dino-guilty-on-all-counts

People arrested and sentenced to jail on a law that doesn't excist. Sad.
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Old 02-06-2007, 11:20 AM   #2
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What's the law the doesn't exist here?
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Old 02-06-2007, 11:32 AM   #3
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What's the law the doesn't exist here?
I was wondering the same thing. I hate em too, but when in Rome!
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There is no law that requires any American to pay income taxes. To pay income taxes is all volunteer. It is not a law that one has to. It's illegal to force people to do so or imprison them for it. If you want more info on this, Just ask and I will supply more links for you all. It's a fraud.

http://www.givemeliberty.org/features/taxes/statutorypath.htm

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Old 02-06-2007, 12:01 PM   #5
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I agree ..that is quite a shame. I will begin praying for this brother..guity ..yes he is..But what a crazy consequence compared to ...
A. OJ Simpson
B. Bill Clinton..
I beleive Satan had his hand in this one. Prayers will continue till the correct justice is served.
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Chuck I believe that the man never filed for a 501c and thumbed his nose at the law.

If this was a regular citizen or let's say a leader of a church of Satan what would you say?

Income tax is volunatry?

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Old 02-06-2007, 12:11 PM   #7
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Another way a church tried to get around income tax.

This year, the publicity campaign centered around the Indianapolis Baptist Church in Indiana. The church owes $6 million in unpaid payroll taxes. The church's position is that they never paid "salaries" to their employees but instead made a series of "love gifts."
Unfortunately, however, IRS people don't believe in love, because one of their spokesmen (who asked not to be identified) dismissed the church's argument, declaring, "In the United States, if you employ people, whether you are tax-exempt or not, you've got to withhold taxes for workers."
Got to? But I thought it was all voluntary


The things that were posted by John are arguments not facts.
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Old 02-06-2007, 12:13 PM   #8
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Chuck I believe that the man never filed for a 501c and thumbed his nose at the law.

If this was a regular citizen or let's say a leader of a church of Satan what would you say?

Income tax is volunatry?

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I'll be straight with ya. We brothers in Christ must cover each others back. We are just about like real physical brothers. We are close. I would back my son's back even if I knew they were wrong.I'm like that. I've heard this man speak.He one of the best anti evolutionist out there and Satan hates his guts. Yes...as I said he is most likely guilty.BUT over 200 years in prison as a minimum..Shoot our murderers and child rapist don't get that. For me...he is under demonic attack and I plan to intercede daily for him and his wife. Charlie, I know prayer works because I prayed 3 local porn shops out of business in Lakeland. ..We hasve none now in Lakeland.
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Kent Hovind needs our prayer..I'm only posting this because I'm a visual person and need the reminder...as well as his wife.
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Old 02-06-2007, 12:19 PM   #10
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People in the Tax Honesty movement are not tax protesters. They are people who want our tax laws administered honestly and lawfully. However, the truth is that most Americans living, working, and deriving their income from WITHIN the united States, do not make "taxable income" as defined by law. Most Americans have been deceived by their own government into paying an income tax they never owed in the first place.
Time to kick open a big can of worms. I came across this tax argument a year or two ago, and it certainly seems plausible. Found on a number of web sites, you are directed to certain portions of the US Code and the Federal Regulations, as well as a bunch of court decisions. They explain their interpretation of what these various links mean, and why it follows that you don"t owe any income taxes.
The argument (quickly stated) goes like this:
1. All people legally subject to taxation by Congress under the Constitution must pay that tax.
2. The 16th Amendment would allow income taxes Constitutionally.
3. However, income tax law does not require individuals to pay taxes on employment income, except under certain specific clauses.
4. The vast majority of current workers are not covered under the above clauses, and thus do not legally owe any income tax.
For a much more in-depth view, please see here and here.
So here"s what I"m looking for. I"m fairly decent at reading law and figuring out what it means, but this one is a little bit over my head. I need a lawyer (i.e., KJ) completely unrelated to these folks to read up on it, and let us know if it is legit.
Anyone willing to take a crack at this?
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Sorry, but that explanation is load of crap. The argument has been made many times, and unfortunately is most known for being sold by unscrupulous advisors to low-income uneducated taxpayers unequipped to realize how ridiculous it is. The Sixteenth Amendment was ratified legally (and overwhelmingly) and provides that congress can tax income "from whatever source derived" i.e., all income. The Amendment ...surprise...amends the constitution so that an income tax need not be classified as either a direct or indirect tax, it is just a specifically permitted tax. To assert that the wool was pulled over our eyes is also disingenous, as congress, as the elected representatives of the people, had twice passed income taxes in the 19th century that were struck down by the Supreme Court as being unconstitutional. The 16th Amendment was a popular amendment to overturn the Court"s finding and embrace the public"s desire for a fair and easily admistered tax on income. The modern tax code has become overwhemingly complex, but it is still based on the proposition that income subject to tax is "all income, from whatever source derived."
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What would that teach your son? He is above the law?

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BUT over 200 years in prison as a minimum
I don't think this is right from what I read on another article,I believe the sentences are running concurrently not consectively.
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The goverment is a demon?
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