Yes, BL, I have blocked you. I did this because I did not know what else to do, when another was saying things that made my ability to witness, and my desire to lead others to Salvation, pointless.
But sir, I now address you , humbly, because I also have to thank you for something. We as mere humans do not know why things happen the way they do. We cannot explain Gods ways. But for the last two days I have fought for my God, and what I believe in. I have fought for what I believe the Bible says.
For the last two days I have felt the Holy Spirit strong in me. I also realized just how much I do love my Lord and Savior. I am no theologian, and I may not be the most Biblically smart person here, and there really are some very smart and knowledgable people here whom I respect greatly, but I realized that that has nothing to do with my ability to love the Lord with all my heart and soul. I learned I can and will stand up for Jesus, and fight the good fight. Even with a limited knowledge. The truth is always the Truth.
I also realized that you do not need to know everything. Really you only need to know one thing, and that is that Jesus loves me and Jesus died for me.
The mind of a child, really is all it takes... Jesus loves me this I know , for the Bible tells me so. Little ones to Him belong, they are weak but He is strong. ................. And I am one of His little ones.
So thank you for putting me into a position where I had to stand up , to learn that I really don't have to. Jesus can and will fight my battles for me. All I needed todo was to sit down and let Him.
Great post MichaelT. I too am with you there. I hunger and desire to know God's word more and more each day, and as I get closer, Satan uses people to attack me. This is why we must be brothers in Christ and always share with each other. There are some here whom are more gifted with an indepth knowledge of the word and then there are those of us that bring to the table a child-like-faith and a desire to learn from God.
I too was very upset that someone would attack God's word and twist it to the point of making me mad. I would rather witness to someone of another belief than to fight someone whom twist the holy true word of God. But, the Holy Spirit has taught me this last two days that the fight is not up to me, but up to Him who is able to defendHis own word.
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Yes, BL, I have blocked you. I did this because I did not know what else to do, when another was saying things that made my ability to witness, and my desire to lead others to Salvation, pointless.
You blocked me because you were getting so angry at my rebukes that you drug your own wife into the fray. The fact that 12 hours later you are once again addressing me shows your anger is still festering, and your word cannot be taken at face value.
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But sir, I now address you , humbly, because I also have to thank you for something. We as mere humans do not know why things happen the way they do. We cannot explain Gods ways. But for the last two days I have fought for my God, and what I believe in. I have fought for what I believe the Bible says.
Sorry Micheal, but you have only fought for your own selfish pride, and your doctrine that professes that you choose God to save you, constantly refusing to address the dozens of Scriptures I posted to you. Your god is your religion Micheal. The Bible says to give an anwser to all men. Your refusal to address Go's Word shows your disdain of it.
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For the last two days I have felt the Holy Spirit strong in me.
The spirit that lead you over the last 2 days as been a spirit of pride, anger, emotion, and revenge. The same one that leads you now.
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I also realized just how much I do love my Lord and Savior.
No Micheal, you realized how much you loved your church Doctrine. They fact that you clain to have the Power over God to chose him, or accet Him shows you hatred of His Word.
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I am no theologian, and I may not be the most Biblically smart person here, and there really are some very smart and knowledgable people here whom I respect greatly, but I realized that that has nothing to do with my ability to love the Lord with all my heart and soul.
Again, this all comes down to one thing. The True Gospel of God's Sovereign Election makes everything your religion has taught you a lie. You were faced with either repenting and asking God to give your the Mind of Christ to better see His Word, or dropping back and viciously defending your religion. You chose the latter.
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I learned I can and will stand up for Jesus, and fight the good fight. Even with a limited knowledge. The truth is always the Truth.
Denying the Sovereign Power of Jesus is not fighting for Him Micheal. It is serving satan.
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I also realized that you do not need to know everything. Really you only need to know one thing, and that is that Jesus loves me and Jesus died for me.
If Jesus died for you, it was not because you choose Him, accepted Him, or did anything whatsoever. Jesus is no respector of persons Micheal. He does not respect your will, your desires, your choice, and He surely will not allow you the power to accept Him.
When you come to this understanding you will become a powerful minister, rather than a beggarly subject who allows others to tote his water.
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The mind of a child, really is all it takes... Jesus loves me this I know , for the Bible tells me so. Little ones to Him belong, they are weak but He is strong. ................. And I am one of His little ones.
If the mind of a child suggests that Jesus does not Choose His Church, it is still a mind serving satan. If your child like mind denys that He established His Church before the foundation of the world, it is a mind serving Satan.
You are confusing what Jesus meant when He said a "child like faith". That faith that Jesus spoke of was a total trust in His Word. Since you have repeatedly denied His Word, and rejected His Scriptures as Truth, you clearly do not have that type of faith..
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So thank you for putting me into a position where I had to stand up , to learn that I really don't have to. Jesus can and will fight my battles for me. All I needed todo was to sit down and let Him.
Micheal, you simply stood up from your pew and in anger shouted that your religion was not wrong, and that your pastor was right. You were not standing up Jesus Micheal, you were standing up for you, and your do-it-yourself Salvation.
You are correct in a sense though Micheal. God did use you. He allowed you to stand up and blaspheme His Word, so that His ministers could rebuke you publicly, and proclaim His Sovereign Grace, Power and Election.
Micheal, I firmly believe God places tools like yourself in the path of my ministry, and my fellow ministers to allow us to take your words that oppose God, to bind them in the Holy Scriptures, and make them subject to Gods Will.
Therefore Micheal, I should be thanking you, but in reality I will just thank God.........
I hunger and desire to know God's word more and more each day,
Really?.....Then why not start with these Scriptures. Why not pray God to open your mind to these Scriptures that so many others have rejected. Take 4 or 5 each day, and deeply read them, and pray. Ask God daily why He wrote them.
It's a New Year.......Why not get started today?. When you are done, how bout posting back and addressing each Scripture???
[*]Matthew 12:18
Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.[*]Matthew 20:16
So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.[*]Matthew 22:14
For many are called, but few are chosen.
-[*]Mark 13:20
And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.[*]Luke 6:13
And when it was day, he called unto him his disciples: and of them he chose twelve, whom also he named apostles;[*]Luke 10:42
But one thing is needful: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her.[*]Luke 14:7
And he put forth a parable to those which were bidden, when he marked how they chose out the chief rooms; saying unto them.[*]Luke 23:35
And the people stood beholding. And the rulers also with them derided him, saying, He saved others; let him save himself, if he be Christ, the chosen of God.[*]John 6:70
Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?[*]John 13:18
I speak not of you all: I know whom I have chosen: but that the scripture may be fulfilled, He that eateth bread with me hath lifted up his heel against me.[*]John 15:16
Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.[*]John 15:19
If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.[*]Acts 1:2
Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:[*]Acts 1:24
And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen,[*]Acts 6:5
And the saying pleased the whole multitude: and they chose Stephen, a man full of faith and of the Holy Ghost, and Philip, and Prochorus, and Nicanor, and Timon, and Parmenas, and Nicolas a proselyte of Antioch:[*]Acts 9:15
But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:[*]Acts 10:41
Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.[*]Acts 13:17
The God of this people of Israel chose our fathers, and exalted the people when they dwelt as strangers in the land of Egypt, and with an high arm brought he them out of it.[*]Acts 15:22
Then pleased it the apostles and elders with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas and Silas, chief men among the brethren: Acts 15:25
It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,[*]Acts 15:40
And Paul chose Silas, and departed, being recommended by the brethren unto the grace of God.[*]Acts 22:14
And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth.[*]Romans 16:13
Salute Rufus chosen in the Lord, and his mother and mine.[*]1 Corinthians 1:27
But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;[*]1 Corinthians 1:28
And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
Here is more........
[ol][*]Ephesians 1:4
According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:[*]2 Thessalonians 2:13
But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:[*]2 Timothy 2:4
No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.[*]James 2:5
Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him? James 2:4-6 (in Context) James 2 (Whole Chapter)[*]1 Peter 2:4
To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,[*]1 Peter 2:9
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;[*]Revelation 17:14
These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.[/ol]
I hunger and desire to know God's word more and more each day,
Really?.....Then why not start with these Scriptures. Why not pray God to open your mind to these Scriptures that so many others have rejected. Take 4 or 5 each day, and deeply read them, and pray. Ask God daily why He wrote them.
It's a New Year.......Why not get started today?. When you are done, how bout posting back and addressing each Scripture???
But that would only feed your own pride Bill? Wouldn't it. How would him justifying you Give any Glory to God Almighty?
Bill, I know what your getting at. But rubbing a member face in it is bad man. Yes,I can rebuke you for it.
Being chosen is a question that keeps Bible Scholars up at night. Just using logic, little that man has, God knows all, God can see all, God made time, same as air, so God know who will be in the Book of Life and who will not. I know I was chosen, I can't say why. I sure didn't deserve it. I was so defiant to God. But on my way thru from Ky, as I was going thru Morgantown, he chose me.He told me from that day forward, my life will be different.
OK BLsig, answer these questions in theirorder so you don't skip any. Don't just pick certain questions or scriptures and avoid others. And, don't add to the scriptures. Take the scriptures for what they say, b/c God's word doesn't need YOUR opinions, which you seem to always add. These scriptures are clear as day and if you can't see that, then you are following a false teacher and definitly not a "messenger of God."
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1) First tell us how you became a christian? Or how did you find you were a chosen one? If you can't answer this, then all your opinions are worthless. I dare you to answer this. Also, how do you know you are a messenger of God? David Koresh thought the same thing. Maybe you are one of his followers. Hmmmmmmm..........
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Since nowhere in Scripture will it be found that man has "freewill", the only lie is the lie that created the UnBiblical idea of "freewill"
Exodus 35:29 (Whole Chapter)
The Israelites, all the men and women, whose heart moved them to bring material for all the work, which the LORD had commanded through Moses to be done, brought a [Ex 35:21; 1 Chr 29:9] freewill offering to the LORD. Exodus 36:3
They received from Moses all the contributions which the sons of Israel had brought to perform the work in the construction of the sanctuary. And they still continued bringing to him freewill offerings every morning.
Leviticus 7:16
'But if the sacrifice of his offering is a [Lev 19:5-8] votive or a freewill offering, it shall be eaten on the day that he offers his sacrifice, and on the next day what is left of it may be eaten;
Leviticus 22:18
"Speak to Aaron and to his sons and to all the sons of Israel and say to them, ' [Num 15:14] Any man of the house of Israel or of the aliens in Israel who presents his offering, whether it is any of their votive or any of their freewill offerings, which they present to the LORD for a burnt offering--
Leviticus 22:21
'When a man offers a sacrifice of peace offerings to the LORD [Num 15:3, 8] to fulfill a special vow or for a freewill offering, of the herd or of the flock, it must be perfect to be accepted; there shall be no defect in it.
Leviticus 22:23 'In respect to an ox or a lamb which has an overgrown or stunted member, you may present it for a freewill offering, but for a vow it will not be accepted.
Leviticus 23:38 besides those of the sabbaths of the LORD, and besides your gifts and besides all your votive and freewill offerings, which you give to the LORD.
Numbers 15:3
then make [Lev 1:2, 3] an offering by fire to the LORD, a burnt offering or a sacrifice to [Lev 22:21] fulfill a special vow, or as a freewill offering or in your [Lev 23:1-44] appointed times, to make a [Gen 8:21; 2 Cor 2:15, 16; Phil 4:18] soothing aroma to the LORD, from the herd or from the flock.
Numbers 29:39
'You shall present these to the LORD at your [Lev 23:2] appointed times, besides your votive offerings and your freewill offerings, for your burnt offerings and for your grain offerings and for your drink offerings and for your peace offerings.'"
Deuteronomy 12:6
"There you shall bring your burnt offerings, your sacrifices, [Deut 14:22] your tithes, the contribution of your hand, your votive offerings, your freewill offerings, and the firstborn of your herd and of your flock.
Deuteronomy 12:17 " [Deut 12:26] You are not allowed to eat within your gates the tithe of your grain or new wine or oil, or the firstborn of your herd or flock, or any of your votive offerings which you vow, or your freewill offerings, or the contribution of your hand.
Deuteronomy 16:10
"Then you shall celebrate the Feast of Weeks to the LORD your God with a tribute of a freewill offering of your hand, which you shall give just as the LORD your God blesses you;
2 Chronicles 31:14
Kore the son of Imnah the Levite, the keeper of the eastern gate, was over the freewill offerings of God, to apportion the contributions for the LORD and the most holy things.
2 Chronicles 35:8
His officers also contributed a freewill offering to the people, the priests and the Levites. Hilkiah and Zechariah and Jehiel, [2 Chr 31:13] the officials of the house of God, gave to the priests for the Passover offerings 2,600 from the flocks and 300 bulls.
Ezra 1:4
'Every survivor, at whatever place he may live, let the men of that place support him with silver and gold, with goods and cattle, together with a freewill offering for the house of God which is in Jerusalem.'"
Ezra 1:6 All those about them [Neh 6:9; Is 35:3] encouraged them with articles of silver, with gold, with goods, with cattle and with valuables, aside from all that was given as a freewill offering.
Ezra 3:5
and afterward there was a [Ex 29:38; Num 28:3] continual burnt offering, also [Num 28:11] for the new moons and [Num 29:39] for all the fixed festivals of the LORD that were consecrated, and from everyone who offered a freewill offering to the LORD.
Ezra 7:16
with [Ezra 8:25] all the silver and gold which you find in the whole province of Babylon, along [Ezra 1:4, 6] with the freewill offering of the people and of the priests, who [1 Chr 29:6] offered willingly for the house of their God which is in Jerusalem;
Ezra 8:28
Then I said to them, " [Lev 21:6-8] You are holy to the LORD, and the [Lev 22:2, 3] utensils are holy; and the silver and the gold are a freewill offering to the LORD God of your fathers.
Psalm 119:108
O accept the [Hos 14:2; Heb 13:15] freewill offerings of my mouth, O LORD,And [Ps 119:12] teach me Your ordinances.
2 Corinthians 8:3
3For I can testify that they gave not only what they could afford, but far more. And they did it of their own free will.
So, this is proof that you don't know all your scripture. You said it wasn't in scripture and it is. Remember, I just pointed out what YOU said and I am not refering to anything other than you saying it wasn't there.
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3) God says in HIS word that HE desires all men to be saved. I didn't say that all men will be saved. Remember, this is God's word so it doesn't need your opinion. These scriptures are straight foward.
John 3:17 For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.
Acts 2:21
And it shall be that EVERYONE who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.
1 Timothy 2:3-4 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires ALL men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Acts 13:47
For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.
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4) Here are straight foward scriptures: Remember, God doesn't need your opinion. It is straight foward.
1 Thessalonians 5:9
For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Philippians 2:12
Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed"”not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence"”continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling.
Titus 2:11
For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men.
Luke 3:6
And all mankind will see God's salvation.
James 1:21
Therefore, get rid of all moral filth and the evil that is so prevalent and humbly accept the word planted in you, which can save you.
Mark 4:20
Others, like seed sown on good soil, hear the word, accept it, and produce a crop"”thirty, sixty or even a hundred times what was sown.
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Second, I feel you are being mislead by the corrupt "bible" you are reading. You must remember that Bibles like the NIV, NKJ, NAS, and so forth were created within the last thirty years by corrupt people who rewrote Gods Word in order to create their own Gospel. They are just as corrupt, and untruthful as the Book of Mormon, and the Watchtower.
Question: How do YOU know those men were corrupt???? And, did you know that King James was gay???? This is from recorded history:
How many folks know that King James (who commissioned the King James Bible and to whom it was dedicated) loved men and had sex with them? At the age of thirteen James fell madly in love with his male cousin Esme Stuart whom he made Duke of Lennox. James deferred to Esme to the consternation of his ministers. In 1582 James was kidnapped and forced to issue a proclamation against his lover and send him back to France. Later, James fell in love with a poor young Scotsman named Robert Carr. "The king leans on his [Carr's] arm, pinches his cheeks, smooths his ruffled garment, and when he looks upon Carr, directs his speech to others." (Thomas Howard, Earl of Suffolk, in a letter, 1611) Carr eventually ended the relationship after which the king expressed his dissatisfaction in a letter to Carr, "I leave out of this reckoning your long creeping back and withdrawing yourself from lying in my chamber, notwithstanding my many hundred times earnest soliciting you to the contrary...Remember that (since I am king) all your being, except your breathing and soul, is from me." (See The Letters of King James I & VI, ed., G. P. V. Akrigg, Univ. of Calif. Press, 1984. Also see Royal Family, Royal Lovers: King James of England and Scotland, David M. Bergeron, Univ. of Missouri Press, 1991)
- Skip Church
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6) Salvation is only found in Jesus Christ. We can't save ourselves. Only God can save us. But the scriptures show it is a free gift and one must decide to take this gift of salvation THAT GOD PROVIDES.
Revelation 22:17
The Spirit and the bride say, "Come!" And let him who hears say, "Come!" Whoever is thirsty, let him come; and whoever wishes, let him take the free gift of the water of life.
Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
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BLsig, I hope your will take each scripture for what GOD IS SAYING and not add YOUR OPINION. But, why would you change your ways now. I am just trying to be the messanger of God to you and show the error of your ways. You avoid scriptures that show you are wrong and try to focus on other scriptures. And, you still haven't show any of Christ's love, that I doubt is there.
As a child of God, whom I have been chosen by God, I am led by the Holy Spirit to know you fit these scriptures and thus true christians must flee people like you.
[ol][*]Acts 20:29(Whole Chapter)
I know that falseteachers, like vicious wolves, will come in among you after I leave, not sparing the flock. [*]Galatians 4:17(Whole Chapter)
Those falseteachers are so eager to win your favor, but their intentions are not good. They are trying to shut you off from me so that you will pay attention only to them.
[*]1 Timothy 4:1 (Whole Chapter)
[ Warnings against FalseTeachers ] Now the Holy Spirit tells us clearly that in the last times some will turn away from the true faith; they will follow deceptive spirits and teachings that come from demons. [*]2 Peter 2:1 (Whole Chapter)
[ The Danger of FalseTeachers ] But there were also false prophets in Israel, just as there will be falseteachers among you. They will cleverly teach destructive heresies and even deny the Master who bought them. In this way, they will bring sudden destruction on themselves. [*]2 Peter 2:12 (Whole Chapter)
These falseteachers are like unthinking animals, creatures of instinct, born to be caught and destroyed. They scoff at things they do not understand, and like animals, they will be destroyed. [*]Jude 1:3(Whole Chapter)
[ The Danger of FalseTeachers ] Dear friends, I had been eagerly planning to write to you about the salvation we all share. But now I find that I must write about something else, urging you to defend the faith that God has entrusted once for all time to his holy people. [/ol]
Another note is the thief on the cross beside Jesus was a sinner about to be thrown in Hell by God for his sins. Yet, he realized who Jesus was and ask Jesus to remember him in paradise for which Jesus replied, "today, you will be WITH ME in paradise. So, if the thief was one of the chosen, why was he of satan as you would say? Oh, never mind, please don't answer this one b/c you will really twist it around.
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Christians aren't perfect, just sinners saved by grace.
Love to fish, hunt, ride atv's, music at church, football, family and friends.
Since nowhere in Scripture will it be found that man has "freewill", the only lie is the lie that created the UnBiblical idea of "freewill" [/blockquote]
And I stand by it. Salvation is based upon the Will of the Lord Jesus Christ. His Will, Desire, and Purpose....Of Salvation He clearly states..........So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy....
Thus The Word of God declares that man has no will of His Own. Nowhere is Scripture does it say that man has "freewill"
Thank You BL
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