[*]Matthew 12:18
Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.[*]Matthew 20:16
So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.[*]Matthew 22:14
For many are called, but few are chosen.
-[*]Mark 13:20
And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.[*]Luke 6:13
And when it was day, he called unto him his disciples: and of them he chose twelve, whom also he named apostles;[*]Luke 10:42
But one thing is needful: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her.[*]Luke 14:7
And he put forth a parable to those which were bidden, when he marked how they chose out the chief rooms; saying unto them.[*]Luke 23:35
And the people stood beholding. And the rulers also with them derided him, saying, He saved others; let him save himself, if he be Christ, the chosen of God.[*]John 6:70
Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?[*]John 13:18
I speak not of you all: I know whom I have chosen: but that the scripture may be fulfilled, He that eateth bread with me hath lifted up his heel against me.[*]John 15:16
Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.[*]John 15:19
If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.[*]Acts 1:2
Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:[*]Acts 1:24
And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen,[*]Acts 6:5
And the saying pleased the whole multitude: and they chose Stephen, a man full of faith and of the Holy Ghost, and Philip, and Prochorus, and Nicanor, and Timon, and Parmenas, and Nicolas a proselyte of Antioch:[*]Acts 9:15
But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:[*]Acts 10:41
Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.[*]Acts 13:17
The God of this people of Israel chose our fathers, and exalted the people when they dwelt as strangers in the land of Egypt, and with an high arm brought he them out of it.[*]Acts 15:22
Then pleased it the apostles and elders with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas and Silas, chief men among the brethren: Acts 15:25
It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,[*]Acts 15:40
And Paul chose Silas, and departed, being recommended by the brethren unto the grace of God.[*]Acts 22:14
And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth.[*]Romans 16:13
Salute Rufus chosen in the Lord, and his mother and mine.[*]1 Corinthians 1:27
But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;[*]1 Corinthians 1:28
And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
Here is more........
[ol][*]Ephesians 1:4
According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
[*]2 Thessalonians 2:13
But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:[*]2 Timothy 2:4
No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.[*]James 2:5
Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him? James 2:4-6 (in Context) James 2 (Whole Chapter) [*]1 Peter 2:4
To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,[*]1 Peter 2:9
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;
[*]Revelation 17:14
These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.[/ol]
Praise God for His Love, and Desire, and Will that He would Choose His People to serve Him, and His Purpose!
Luke 10:42
But one thing is needful: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her
Seems Mary had a choice there.
You still can't explain away John 3:16 can you. Oops, it's that "whosever" thing again isn't it? My bad. [&:] How foolish of me to interpret "whosever" as "anyone". [&o]
Or, this from Romans:
3] For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness
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Billy, the lenths that you will go to , to deny the Lord's Sovereignty over His People is staggering. This particular Scripture in no way suggests that Mary had the power to Choose her own salvation. The fact is, the Scriptures are VERY CLEAR, that both Mary, and Martha were True Believers. Jesus is simply saying that Mary has Chosen a better way to serve God {at his feet}, then she is by doing deeds {serving dinner}
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You still can't explain away John 3:16 can you. Oops, it's that "whosever" thing again isn't it? My bad. [&:] How foolish of me to interpret "whosever" as "anyone".
I must say that your hatred of Gods Power indeed affords me the opportunity to use His Words to show the wickedness of your intent.
The "whosoever" represent those Chosen by God. Those who will believe on Jesus once He makes Himself known to them. The "whosoever" do not represent people who think they have "chosen", or "accepted" God. Those people represent the unbelievers mentioned in verse 18.
John 3:16-18 is perhaps God's Greatest testament to the fact that the True Believers are His Children, and the unBelievers are the children of satan.
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3] For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness
Silly boy....Do you not know that all True Believers believe God, and that belief counts us among the righteous. Why do you think we are called True Believers. We are True Believers because we believe Gods Word, when He says our Salvation was based upon his Choice, Election, and Acceptance of us.
Let me ask you Billy. Would you care to comment on each and every Scripture I posted in my opening post?, or are you too weak, and immature to refute Gods Word?. The Scriptures live Billy. I challenge you to refute them........
BL , If God chose us, then what does that do to change the meaning ofJesus' crucifixion. The bible is clear that Jesus was crucified for the sins of man....not the sins of the chosen.... By saying that Jesus died only for the chosen, then you are cheapening the crucifixon of Jesus to a side show for the few.
And again , I ask, if it is as you say, then why argue and preach to us. Because if the elect are already chosen, none of your or our preaching will matter. They are already chosen, and it is impossible to mislead those whom God has chosen. So let us have our fun, because for all of our preaching and wittnessing, we cannot harm anyone. Thay are already chosen or destined to hell.
Here are those Scriptures again Billy. Would you please address each one individually, and tell us what they mean????[align=center][/align]
[*]Matthew 12:18
Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.[*]Matthew 20:16
So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.[*]Matthew 22:14
For many are called, but few are chosen.
-[*]Mark 13:20
And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.[*]Luke 6:13
And when it was day, he called unto him his disciples: and of them he chose twelve, whom also he named apostles;[*]Luke 10:42
But one thing is needful: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her.[*]Luke 14:7
And he put forth a parable to those which were bidden, when he marked how they chose out the chief rooms; saying unto them.[*]Luke 23:35
And the people stood beholding. And the rulers also with them derided him, saying, He saved others; let him save himself, if he be Christ, the chosen of God.[*]John 6:70
Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?[*]John 13:18
I speak not of you all: I know whom I have chosen: but that the scripture may be fulfilled, He that eateth bread with me hath lifted up his heel against me.[*]John 15:16
Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.[*]John 15:19
If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.[*]Acts 1:2
Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:[*]Acts 1:24
And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen,[*]Acts 6:5
And the saying pleased the whole multitude: and they chose Stephen, a man full of faith and of the Holy Ghost, and Philip, and Prochorus, and Nicanor, and Timon, and Parmenas, and Nicolas a proselyte of Antioch:[*]Acts 9:15
But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:[*]Acts 10:41
Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.[*]Acts 13:17
The God of this people of Israel chose our fathers, and exalted the people when they dwelt as strangers in the land of Egypt, and with an high arm brought he them out of it.[*]Acts 15:22
Then pleased it the apostles and elders with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas and Silas, chief men among the brethren: Acts 15:25
It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,[*]Acts 15:40
And Paul chose Silas, and departed, being recommended by the brethren unto the grace of God.[*]Acts 22:14
And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth.[*]Romans 16:13
Salute Rufus chosen in the Lord, and his mother and mine.[*]1 Corinthians 1:27
But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;[*]1 Corinthians 1:28
And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
Here is more........
[ol][*]Ephesians 1:4
According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:[*]2 Thessalonians 2:13
But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:[*]2 Timothy 2:4
No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.[*]James 2:5
Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him? James 2:4-6 (in Context) James 2 (Whole Chapter)[*]1 Peter 2:4
To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,[*]1 Peter 2:9
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;[*]Revelation 17:14
These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.[/ol]
The "whosoever" represent those Chosen by God. Those who will believe on Jesus once He makes Himself known to them. The "whosoever" do not represent people who think they have "chosen", or "accepted" God. Those people represent the unbelievers mentioned in verse 18.
John 3:16-18 is perhaps God's Greatest testament to the fact that the True Believers are His Children, and the unBelievers are the children of satan.
I also agree! Amen
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BL , If God chose us, then what does that do to change the meaning ofJesus' crucifixion. The bible is clear that Jesus was crucified for the sins of man....not the sins of the chosen.... By saying that Jesus died only for the chosen, then you are cheapening the crucifixon of Jesus to a side show for the few.
Well, if you reject the Scriptures that say that God chooses His People, would you PLEASE respond to each of the following Scriptures, and point out why they are incorrect..........
[*]Matthew 12:18
Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.[*]Matthew 20:16
So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.[*]Matthew 22:14
For many are called, but few are chosen.
-[*]Mark 13:20
And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.[*]Luke 6:13
And when it was day, he called unto him his disciples: and of them he chose twelve, whom also he named apostles;[*]Luke 10:42
But one thing is needful: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her.[*]Luke 14:7
And he put forth a parable to those which were bidden, when he marked how they chose out the chief rooms; saying unto them.[*]Luke 23:35
And the people stood beholding. And the rulers also with them derided him, saying, He saved others; let him save himself, if he be Christ, the chosen of God.[*]John 6:70
Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?[*]John 13:18
I speak not of you all: I know whom I have chosen: but that the scripture may be fulfilled, He that eateth bread with me hath lifted up his heel against me.[*]John 15:16
Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.[*]John 15:19
If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.[*]Acts 1:2
Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:[*]Acts 1:24
And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen,[*]Acts 6:5
And the saying pleased the whole multitude: and they chose Stephen, a man full of faith and of the Holy Ghost, and Philip, and Prochorus, and Nicanor, and Timon, and Parmenas, and Nicolas a proselyte of Antioch:[*]Acts 9:15
But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:[*]Acts 10:41
Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.[*]Acts 13:17
The God of this people of Israel chose our fathers, and exalted the people when they dwelt as strangers in the land of Egypt, and with an high arm brought he them out of it.[*]Acts 15:22
Then pleased it the apostles and elders with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas and Silas, chief men among the brethren: Acts 15:25
It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,[*]Acts 15:40
And Paul chose Silas, and departed, being recommended by the brethren unto the grace of God.[*]Acts 22:14
And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth.[*]Romans 16:13
Salute Rufus chosen in the Lord, and his mother and mine.[*]1 Corinthians 1:27
But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;[*]1 Corinthians 1:28
And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
Here is more........
[ol][*]Ephesians 1:4
According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:[*]2 Thessalonians 2:13
But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:[*]2 Timothy 2:4
No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.[*]James 2:5
Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him? James 2:4-6 (in Context) James 2 (Whole Chapter)[*]1 Peter 2:4
To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,[*]1 Peter 2:9
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;[*]Revelation 17:14
These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.[/ol]
Silly boy....Do you not know that all True Believers believe God, and that belief counts us among the righteous. Why do you think we are called True Believers. We are True Believers because we believe Gods Word, when He says our Salvation was based upon his Choice, Election, and Acceptance of us.
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Wow BL howconvienent that you are among the chosen. And just when did you decide to be among the chosen. Or when did God see fit to reveal that YOU were chosen.
As I said BL, if this is fact, then why do you preach...it is pointless....they are already chosen. That cannot be changed....stop preaching. you are defeating your own argument.
BL, there was more to my post than that one piece. If you respond , please respond to the whole thing. I have left you several questions in several posts, but you are not answering them. Please do so. Tell me what the purpose is for your preaching. If the true believers are chosen, then no preaching by anyone will affect the outcome, so why do you do it.
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