I thought we might continue discussing this without it detracting from the other thread where it was brought up recently.
First we must deside what we mean by the term.
The dictionary saysa) the developement of spiecies, organism, etc. from its original to its presentstate.(b) a theory that all spiecies of plants and animals developed from earlier forms.....
Nowhere does it say in the dictionary anything about the beginning of the universe or the forming of the earth or the "BEGININGS" OF ANYTHING. So really there is no reason to have a big argument between "Creation" and "Evolution".
From my Christian faith I know that GOD created all. And one of the great gifts He gave me was a brain and intellect and ability to reason and search and understand. So I have some knowledge of science (which is not in itself opposed to GOD). I know something about the theory that organisms mutate, there are environmental "pressures" and natural selection. As a result organisms change. Well that is I think "evolution" in a nut shell.
I believe that God began a prosess and sat back to watch. He started a snow ball rolling down hill with the intention of seeing a large snow ball at the bottom. He cast a handfull of dice knowing the outcome would be all 6s.
Even in this day and age of "modern times" many people do not understand how "Evolution" may work. So why would God have someone write it up in Genesis to create such a huge confusion for His people.
God made the earth. God made the plants. God made the fish and birds and animals. God made man. It says that in the bible and I believe it. And I think he used a marvalous method to do so. And I think He had some fun with it as well. Look at giraffes and pladdypus.
The rhetorical question that anti-evolutionists ask, which shows their misunderstanding of what the theory of evolution says, is if humans evolved from apes, why are there still apes? The answer is that evolution is not a linear process. The fact is that we share a common anscestor with modern apes that was neither a modern human nor a modern ape. When populations of a species become seperated from each other and face different environmental pressures they will evolve different traits. The traits arise through the process of genetic mutations which are constantly taking place. If anyone doubts that genes mutate and species change they should think about why they need a new flue shot every year when innoculation provides lifetime immunity to the organismvacinated against. Over time the seperate populations undergoing constant genetic mutations and facing different selection pressures will evolve into seperate species. Not only the fossil record but also the newer science of molecular genetics provide solid evidence that thisis how now species come into existance. It is no coincidence that while we share over 98% of our genes with chimpanzees, the fossil record also shows that these apes are our nearest living relatives. We are not their decendents, we are their cousins.
The rhetorical question that anti-evolutionists ask, which shows their misunderstanding of what the theory of evolution says, is if humans evolved from apes, why are there still apes? The answer is that evolution is not a linear process. The fact is that we share a common anscestor with modern apes that was neither a modern human nor a modern ape. When populations of a species become seperated from each other and face different environmental pressures they will evolve different traits. The traits arise through the process of genetic mutations which are constantly taking place. If anyone doubts that genes mutate and species change they should think about why they need a new flue shot every year when innoculation provides lifetime immunity to the organismvacinated against. Over time the seperate populations undergoing constant genetic mutations and facing different selection pressures will evolve into seperate species. Not only the fossil record but also the newer science of molecular genetics provide solid evidence that thisis how now species come into existance. It is no coincidence that while we share over 98% of our genes with chimpanzees, the fossil record also shows that these apes are our nearest living relatives. We are not their decendents, we are their cousins.
Caldoc
Weather one believes in evolution or creation is their choice. But, one thing I see is if God used a form of evolution or snapped his fingers, he is still the creator of everything. One aspect of evolution is that the process of natural selection states that the stronger will survive while the weaker specie will die. If we are from monkeys, we being the stronger more advanced specie should have forced the weaker monkeys out of existance. Does evolution/addaptation happen to species? Yes, because we have seen the evidence just as you have stated when a certain specie is forced to confront a new enviroment. But, the fossil record actually does not prove we evloved from a common ape or monkey. If you look at the record, there is an evident point when man first appeared. Hint: God created Adam and Eve.
One problem with evolution is they take a single skull and base the entire human population of that time on it entirely. Let me give an example.
Patrick Ewing (ex pro basket ball player) has a very "monkey" like skull design. (This is not ment to be bad, just a visual observation all can see) If he lived back 1 million years ago and we found his skull, we would say he was the missing link and all the humans back then were like him. How far is that from the truth. Each and everyone of us is fearfully and wonderfully made and all of us are extremely unique.
Anyway, I am not saying God could not create his creating through evolution and I am not saying He just snapped his fingers. But, no matter what you believe, He created everything, seen and unseen.
The scriptures even say that no man is without excuse that even in His creation His evidence is shown.
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God did create all things. There has been some microevolution - or adaptation - that has taken place since His creation, but nothing completely new arose from that. The fossil record bears out the fact that there are no transitional animals - nothing "in-between" species. God did not use evolution as His tool to get us to where we are now. Simply put, He created all animals and some have changed a bit over the years as they adapted to their environments.
Contrary to what some people claim and have said, science DOES support creation and conflicts with the evolutionary theory. As this thread develops, we'll probably get into that.
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If you start questioning the Bible, it's a slippery slope, and you wind up being to "make" the Bible say anything you please. Genisis mentions cattle. Genisis talks about day and night, and creation being in 6 days. If the days were not literal, then it would say so--the original word used is for a normal 24 hour day. If the days and nights both lasted eons each, the earth would have scorched, then frozen.
Some scientists that seem to still doubt the existence of God have at least admitted what is referred to as "intelligent design". They basically admit that it's impossible for the universe to just have happened, and there had to be something to create it.
Just watching the Discovery channels "most amazing" or "most extreme" should end any doubt. Every organism on this earth is dependent on everything working just as it does. The balance of nature is so delicate that the thought of it happening by chance is ludicrist. One episode that comes to mind is a parasite, which depends on an ant for survival. I forget the exact life cycle, but it includes the parasite, ants, grass, and rabbits, and each one plays a key role. Take the hummingbird--not only are they specialized for living off nectar, some even specifically for certain flowers, but their body's know to slow their metabolism at dark so they don't starve, and they know to migrate when winter comes so they can find food. This is only a tiny, tiny example--and to think even this happened by chance? So many plants, animals, and insects are dependant on each other for life, yet they just happened to all evolve the exact right way at the exact same time? Trial and error? The earth wouldn't hold the number of animals it would take for nature to weed out the weak or the ones that couldn't adapt fast enough. Evolution is supposed to take thousands or millions of years, but somehow it all happened to be perfectly synchonrized? And this is called science? It just floors me.
Chad
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There is no proof that humans and monkeys share a common ancester. Just because we have some similar looking genes or features does not mean they are the same. It doesn't mean they aren't either. Since there is no proof that humanity will agree on as being proof of either theory, the debate ends when you die.
There is also no definitive proof that the world is as old as scientists say it is. No proof that carbon dating is accurate to any degree. It's method has been revised several times in the last 20 or 30 years resulting in dates of objects being changed.
Patrick Ewing on the other hand...............
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There are so many flaws in evolutionary theory that it just dumbfounds me how anyone can just "believe" it no matter how impossible it is.
Abiogenesis - life begining from NOTHING with nothing to get it started-- that defies scientific principles. How did the supposed developing life forms then go from a sexual to sexual reproduction? The list of unanswered problems is huge. There are no answers, because it cannot happen, but it's still believed by a large number of confused scientists who place their faith in this. Unbelievable!
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Der friends,
I don't have much to contribute on this topic but I'll give ya what I got.
I am a rock and mineral collector and do teach Science among the other subjects.
Chronologically speaking ..Adam { Who was the first man} was born about 4004 B.C.
In my early years of teaching "Millions and millions of years" used to be a hypothesis. Now in text books "Mllions and millions" is regarded as fact. I straighten out my kids real fast on that letting them know it's an opinion. The same goes in what the center of the earth is and how hot it is. Man has not even gone through the 20 mile thick crust yet.
I believe this teaching of evoluton is from Satan to discredit the Word of God.
The students I teach call these things opinion not fact and I give them a balance view of creaton. Our world is nowhere near the age scientist are trying to show us.
As far as how long a day can be..OK That's a possiblilty.One day can be 1000 or more years but I do know when back dated through God's Word Adam is only 4004 BC..so these million year old cave men is garbage.
C7
In Summary,
The way evolution is taught by the seculiar world, it is nothing more than a Satanic smoke screen to discredit God's Word.
I brought this up in a thread a year ago. If you were satan, and wanted to discredit God's Word, wouldn't you try to go "all out" to discredit the very first verse? If he is successful in fooling the majority of the world's scientists into believing the lie, then he can use that in an attempt to claim that you can't believe any of the Bible.
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Evolution
a) the developement of spiecies, organism, etc. from its original to its presentstate.(b) a theory that all spiecies of plants and animals developed from earlier forms.....
