Had some thoughts about this. Many times, a discussion arises on Christ's effect of various Old Laws...
I think of the requirement of animal sacrifice in receiving forgiveness for sin. Definitely an Old law practice, right? Do we do that now? no.
Christ is our lamb. So, since we don't do animal sacrifice, in a sense, the law is abolished. Since Christ is our eternal sacrifice, then the requirement for the sacrifice is still there, it's just met without using an animal. Since Christ is the sacrifice, then He has fulfilled the Law.
Forgive me for not thinking this out completely before posting. I'm working through the process just now. Here's a summary:
The (Old) law is eternal, in a sense. Forgiveness still requires sacrifice.
The Old law has changed/ been abolished, in a sense. We don't sacrifice animals anymore.
The Old law is fulfilled. Christ is the sacrifice, and will be forever.
Amen..I agree. It's my understanding through Col. and Ephesians 2 that the written code was abolished to make in HImself one new man. The law we are under is the Royal Commandment that is the fulfillment of all th elaw and the prohets. It takes a born again , spirit filled , dead to self individual to keep the Royal Commandment. None of us will ever arrive at that but we are supposed ot strive. That commandment is explained quite fully in the Sermon on the Mount.
Romans 8 :2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
The Law of the Spirit is the law Christians are supposed to be under.
c7
The Law of Sin and Death is not the Law given to Moses, the Law of sin and Death was given to Adam in Eden, I understand most people think the way you do, but it is not correct, God said to Adam "The day you eat of the fruit of the tree of wisdom you will die".This is the law that was abolished by christ when he resurrected,having paid for all sins, we are no longer bound by death as we are all destined to resurrect, that is why it can be consider abolished.
Fulfilled does not mean abolished, fulfill means Jesus carried the law 100% as it was meant to be, not the law as interpreted by Rabbis and priests, that is why He was always at odds with them.
The law of Sacrifice was not abolished but rather fulfilled in Jesus shedding of His blood and death, therefore the law of sacrifices is still active today, but rather than been the blood of a lamb we wash in, it His own blood instead.
If the Law of sacrifices were abolished then there would be no sacrifice for sins needed and that would also include Christs own sacrifice, so we shouldn't say the law of sacrifice is abolished but rather, the law of sacrifice is active in Jesus death, was that clear or not ?
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The Law of Sin and Death is not the Law given to Moses, the Law of sin and Death was given to Adam in Eden, I understand most people think the way you do, but it is not correct, God said to Adam "The day you eat of the fruit of the tree of wisdom you will die".This is the law that was abolished by christ when he resurrected,having paid for all sins, we are no longer bound by death as we are all destined to resurrect, that is why it can be consider abolished. Alex, you could be right here myfriend. There is a law of sin and death. This is true. no arguement here my friend.
Fulfilled does not mean abolished, fulfill means Jesus carried the law 100% as it was meant to be, not the law as interpreted by Rabbis and priests, that is why He was always at odds with them. I see abolishedtwo fold Alex... 1.The templecurtain was rent in half.2. Ephesians says the written code of ordances was ..let's look it up..wait here
15Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; 16And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross,
The law of Sacrifice was not abolished but rather fulfilled in Jesus shedding of His blood and death,OK amentherefore the law of sacrifices is still active today, but rather than been the blood of a lamb we wash in, it His own blood instead.Still active??? I see the sacrifice was done ONCE and for all. MaybeI'm misunderstanding something here.
If the Law of sacrifices were abolished then there would be no sacrifice for sins needed and that would also include Christs own sacrifice, so we shouldn't say the law of sacrifice is abolished but rather, the law of sacrifice is active in Jesus death, was that clear or not ?
Not quite sure Alex how we got from the works of the law to the sacrifice of Christ. You know we are friends so I'm not trying to be disrespectful. C7
The Law of Sin and Death is not the Law given to Moses, the Law of sin and Death was given to Adam in Eden, I understand most people think the way you do, but it is not correct, God said to Adam "The day you eat of the fruit of the tree of wisdom you will die".This is the law that was abolished by christ when he resurrected,having paid for all sins, we are no longer bound by death as we are all destined to resurrect, that is why it can be consider abolished. Alex, you could be right here myfriend. There is a law of sin and death. This is true. no arguement here my friend.
Fulfilled does not mean abolished, fulfill means Jesus carried the law 100% as it was meant to be, not the law as interpreted by Rabbis and priests, that is why He was always at odds with them. I see abolishedtwo fold Alex... 1.The templecurtain was rent in half.2. Ephesians says the written code of ordances was ..let's look it up..wait here
The Temple curtain represented separation, only the priest could enetered it once a year on passover and even he had to offer for himself, once Jesus offered himself the curtain between man and God was opened, we can come directly into the throne of grace and ask God directly for His grace.
The curtain is broken but not the Law of it ,because a sinner cannot enter , unless he is washed in the blood of the lamb of God.So the law of sin and death still stands, not for us, but for teh rest of the world, He who sins will die 2 deaths.
15Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; 16And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross,
"Even the law of commandments", these were laws that were added to God's laws by Rabbis or interpretations there of , such as the Talmud, not God's law.
The law of Sacrifice was not abolished but rather fulfilled in Jesus shedding of His blood and death,OK amentherefore the law of sacrifices is still active today, but rather than been the blood of a lamb we wash in, it His own blood instead.Still active??? I see the sacrifice was done ONCE and for all. MaybeI'm misunderstanding something here.
Although He died once for all the sins, his sacrifice is still fresh for anyone who wishes to be atoned for his sins, so the law of sacrifice is still in force, for those in the past before Jesus and for those in the future who are even still to be borned, the law of blood for the remission of sin is still required by God, " Without blood there is no remission of sin"so the law is active or the requirement.
If the Law of sacrifices were abolished then there would be no sacrifice for sins needed and that would also include Christs own sacrifice, so we shouldn't say the law of sacrifice is abolished but rather, the law of sacrifice is active in Jesus death, was that clear or not ?
Not quite sure Alex how we got from the works of the law to the sacrifice of Christ. You know we are friends so I'm not trying to be disrespectful. C7
The works of the law of remission is done by Christ, not by man any longer, the sacrifice of Christ is a required "works" for the whole world.
It is an active work even today, when a sinner repents, The Christ applies his blood as payment for that man or woman's sin.
The office of the priesthood is still active in heaven.
It is an active work Christ does, before the Throne of the Almighty.
Shalom
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The Temple curtain represented separation, only the priest could enetered it once a year on passover and even he had to offer for himself, once Jesus offered himself the curtain between man and God was opened, we can come directly into the throne of grace and ask God directly for His grace. Amen...agreed.
The curtain is broken but not the Law of it ,because a sinner cannot enter , unless he is washed in the blood of the lamb of God.So the law of sin and death still stands,Don't quite agree here brother...as much as we all strive with all of our hearts we all sin and come short of the glory of God..until wepass from this world .The scriptures tell us all to come boldly to th ethrone of grace. None of us are without sin.not for us, but for teh rest of the world, He who sins will die 2 deaths. he who sins???that is all of us. And trust me...I take sin seriously. I don't want to miss Heaven.But if I'm honest with myself..I still sin at times..and I believe we all do. Jesus said "Let him without sin throw the first stone. I still think we would all still drop our stones.
15Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; 16And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross,
"Even the law of commandments", these were laws that were added to God's laws by Rabbis or interpretations there of , such as the Talmud, not God's law. Ipersonallybelieve these laws as any laws that would separate us from God. Christ work has broken down all barriers for anyone to enter in. Once saved he or she is under the law of love. You and I both know as the man in Mark that said "Lord to love God and your neighbor is MOREthan all burnt sacrifices." This love is not a warm fuzzy cop out. This love I'm talking about is what drives men and women to the mision field...drives us not to be ashamed on the job and to witness....causes us to turn the other cheek, drives us to pray and study God's word.Itgoverns our whole life. God's love is shed abroad in our hearts and conforms us otHim. This is the law of the new Christian.Mt. 24 says though in th elast days many folks's love will wax cold. This is dangerous as you can't separate God from love. Once love is gone God has to be gone as well thus resulting in apostacy. This is why we must pray and forgive lest a root of bitterness spring up and defile us.
Although He died once for all the sins, his sacrifice is still fresh for anyone who wishes to be atoned for his sins, okso the law of sacrifice is still in force, for those in the past before Jesus and for those in the future who are even still to be borned, the law of blood for the remission of sin is still required by God, Yes it is totasllly agreed" Without blood there is no remission of sin"so the law is active or the requirement.OK ...Requirement understood.
The works of the law of remission is done by Christ, not by man any longer, the sacrifice of Christ is a required "works" for the whole world. Amen
It is an active work even today, when a sinner repents, The Christ applies his blood as payment for that man or woman's sin.
The office of the priesthood is still active in heaven.
It is an active work Christ does, before the Throne of the Almighty. Amen ..speaks of this in Rom.8 and Hebrews Shalom Shalom brother
The (Old) law is eternal, in a sense. Forgiveness still requires sacrifice.
The Old law has changed/ been abolished, in a sense. We don't sacrifice animals anymore.
The Old law is fulfilled. Christ is the sacrifice, and will be forever.
I agree with your thoughts here, here is the way Ihave saidit in the past:
From Genesis 3:6 to Revelation 22:21, the Biblical record is concerned with one problem "“ Sin; one remedy "“ Calvary; and one means of appropriating the remedy to the soul "“ The Obedience of Faith. From Adam"™s sin to the law enunciated at Sinai, God saved by grace every individual who responded to His grace in the obedience of faith in view of the debt for sin that Christ would accomplish at Calvary. From Sinai to the close of the Mosaic era, God saved by grace every man who responded to His grace in the obedience of faith in view of the debt for sin that Christ would pay at Calvary. From the proclamation of the gospel sermon that inaugurated New Testament Christianity (Acts 2), to that unknown moment when God calls an end to time, God saves every person who responds to His grace in the obedience of faith in view of what Christ has accomplished at Calvary.
The Temple curtain represented separation, only the priest could enetered it once a year on passover and even he had to offer for himself, once Jesus offered himself the curtain between man and God was opened, we can come directly into the throne of grace and ask God directly for His grace. Amen...agreed.
The curtain is broken but not the Law of it ,because a sinner cannot enter , unless he is washed in the blood of the lamb of God.So the law of sin and death still stands,Don't quite agree here brother...as much as we all strive with all of our hearts we all sin and come short of the glory of God..until wepass from this world .The scriptures tell us all to come boldly to th ethrone of grace. None of us are without sin.not for us, but for teh rest of the world, He who sins will die 2 deaths. he who sins???that is all of us. And trust me...I take sin seriously. I don't want to miss Heaven.But if I'm honest with myself..I still sin at times..and I believe we all do. Jesus said "Let him without sin throw the first stone. I still think we would all still drop our stones.
THis is where we dissagree big time, once you are justified in Christ sin has no hold on you, you cannot be a sinner and enter heaven,I understand this is what Baptist teach that your always a sinner, well your not, He that is in Christ is a new creature, the old things(Sins) have past away, God does not remember them anymore. That doctrine is like the AA says to alcoholics, "You are always an alcoholic" well that is not true, once you are clean your clean and no longer what you were.
We are capable of sin, but not necessarily sin on purpose, now if one lives a life of falling into sin continiously , then there is a problem there, maybe not sure of ones belief in Christ ? lack of faith will cause a believer to fall over and over. Also ignorance of the word and or wrong doctrines we pick up from churches that interpret God's word to their agendas.
Jesus said , "He whom I set free is free indeed", so set your own self free and do not live in that mindset that you are still a sinner. You are a son of theup most High , a prince of this universe, don't let satan tell you any different, let satan fear of you and not vise versa.
Shalom
15Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; 16And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross,
"Even the law of commandments", these were laws that were added to God's laws by Rabbis or interpretations there of , such as the Talmud, not God's law. Ipersonallybelieve these laws as any laws that would separate us from God. Christ work has broken down all barriers for anyone to enter in. Once saved he or she is under the law of love. You and I both know as the man in Mark that said "Lord to love God and your neighbor is MOREthan all burnt sacrifices." This love is not a warm fuzzy cop out. This love I'm talking about is what drives men and women to the mision field...drives us not to be ashamed on the job and to witness....causes us to turn the other cheek, drives us to pray and study God's word.Itgoverns our whole life. God's love is shed abroad in our hearts and conforms us otHim. This is the law of the new Christian.Mt. 24 says though in th elast days many folks's love will wax cold. This is dangerous as you can't separate God from love. Once love is gone God has to be gone as well thus resulting in apostacy. This is why we must pray and forgive lest a root of bitterness spring up and defile us.
Although He died once for all the sins, his sacrifice is still fresh for anyone who wishes to be atoned for his sins, okso the law of sacrifice is still in force, for those in the past before Jesus and for those in the future who are even still to be borned, the law of blood for the remission of sin is still required by God, Yes it is totasllly agreed" Without blood there is no remission of sin"so the law is active or the requirement.OK ...Requirement understood.
The works of the law of remission is done by Christ, not by man any longer, the sacrifice of Christ is a required "works" for the whole world. Amen
It is an active work even today, when a sinner repents, The Christ applies his blood as payment for that man or woman's sin.
The office of the priesthood is still active in heaven.
It is an active work Christ does, before the Throne of the Almighty. Amen ..speaks of this in Rom.8 and Hebrews Shalom Shalom brother
Romans 6
Dead to Sin but Alive because of Christ
1What should we say? Should we keep on sinning, so that God's wonderful kindness will show up even better? 2No, we should not! If we are dead to sin, how can we go on sinning? 3Don't you know that all who share in Christ Jesus by being baptized also share in his death? 4When we were baptized, we died and were buried with Christ. We were baptized, so that we would live a new life, as Christ was raised to life by the glory of God the Father.
5If we shared in Jesus' death by being baptized, we will be raised to life with him. 6We know that the persons we used to be were nailed to the cross with Jesus. This was done, so that our sinful bodies would no longer be the slaves of sin. 7We know that sin doesn't have power over dead people.
8As surely as we died with Christ, we believe we will also live with him. 9We know that death no longer has any power over Christ. He died and was raised to life, never again to die. 10When Christ died, he died for sin once and for all. But now he is alive, and he lives only for God. 11In the same way, you must think of yourselves as dead to the power of sin. But Christ Jesus has given life to you, and you live for God.
12Don't let sin rule your body. After all, your body is bound to die, so don't obey its desires 13or let any part of it become a slave of evil. Give yourselves to God, as people who have been raised from death to life. Make every part of your body a slave that pleases God. 14Don't let sin keep ruling your lives. You are ruled by God's kindness and not by the Law.
Slaves Who Do What Pleases God
15What does all this mean? Does it mean we are free to sin, because we are ruled by God's wonderful kindness and not by the Law? Certainly not!
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Good reading Bro Alex. No milk there but plenty to sink the teeth into. This ties in so well with the thread on baptism and the bible that some are having such a hard time with.
When the priest entered once each year beyond the Vail into the Holiest of Holies, it wasn't because he was perfect or free from anything because the law made nothing perfect. He lived under the Law. The blood sacrifices offered by him, and for him didn't save him either. Yet he wasn't killed for entering into the presence of The Holy God. Wasn't mercy and grace extended solely because he had KEPT THE COMMANDMENTS that God had given him to keep? Wasn't his obedience better than sacrifice? It has been said that those under the old law were saved by faith just as we in the New Testament?? Only if faith lead him to keep the commandments of his God. If he failed to keep the commandments, he would die when he entered into Gods presence. If we are saved by the same faith, it also must produce the obedience to Gods word, as it did with the priest.
His heard the commandment, believed it, was obedient to it and even though he wasn't perfect, couldn't do enough good works to save hisself,God extended Grace unto him. If we fail to do what God says, we will suffer the same fate as the priest who neglected to make preperation to enter beyond the vail.
What is the WHOLE DUTY of man? To fear God and keep his commandments.
Christ in fulfilling the Law
