Satan is a fallen angel From God's right hand and had everthing that God would give him, ? what happen, like on earth people walk away from God we the people of earth do not for sure know what God has for them but satan did yet he walk away will thrown out anyway. I am amased at the people that walk away from God and don't want to hear what he has. Satan is not that powerful when we stand with God what do you think.
next ? What does satan look like is he the horn deanon that this world has put a pic of or can he be standing next to you and you will never know. My vote is the second one and that is why we must always keep the sheild of God on. Why I say this is yes Jesus died for us but satan can take it away if we let him.
That is why we must carry our Bible as a sword and the truth as our breast plate for we our the choosen one of God.
Feel free to use any Bible you want to answer this but I went back the the hebrew text and got part of the answer but got lost in some places because my hebrew is not that good anymore it has been a long time.
Satan or Baal Havar in Hebrew Chasidic or Hasatan is not a god, he is a higher order creation ,but not a an angel either, the term angel is applied to those beings who go and tell what God says, Hasatan was a Seraphin and his Job was the praising of God around his Throne.
They are described as beings of light with 4 or 6 wings and 4 faces, no horns are found in their description.His name was not Lucifer as that is a misstranslation or application of Isaiah, where that name is found in Latin not Hebrew.
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i dont have my references with me right now but i do know that in the Bible somewhere it states that Lucifer was Gods greatest creation...i personally beleive he was beautiful and is beautiful...when i get my references i will re post
i dont have my references with me right now but i do know that in the Bible somewhere it states that Lucifer was Gods greatest creation...i personally beleive he was beautiful and is beautiful...when i get my references i will re post
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[blockquote]"Lucifer makes his appearance in the fourteenth chapter of the Old Testament book of Isaiah, at the twelfth verse, and nowhere else: "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!"
The first problem is that Lucifer is a Latin name. So how did it find its way into a Hebrew manuscript, written before there was a Roman language? The answeris a surprise. In the original Hebrew text, the fourteenth chapter of Isaiah is not about a fallen angel, but about a fallen Babylonian king, who during his lifetime had persecuted the children of Israel. It contains no mention of Satan, either by name or reference. The Hebrew scholar could only speculate that some early Christian scribes, writing in the Latin tongue used by the Church, had decided for themselves that they wanted the story to be about a fallen angel, a creature not even mentioned in the original Hebrew text, and to whom they gave the name "Lucifer."
Why Lucifer? In Roman astronomy, Lucifer was the name given to the morning star (the star we now know by another Roman name, Venus). The morning star appears in the heavens just before dawn, heralding the rising sun. The name derives from the Latin term lucem ferre, bringer, or bearer, of light." In the Hebrew text the expression used to describe the Babylonian king before his death is Helal, son of Shahar, which can best be translated as "Day star, son of the Dawn." The name evokes the golden glitter of a proud king's dress and court (much as his personal splendor earned for King Louis XIV of France the appellation, "The Sun King").
The scholars authorized by ... King James I to translate the Bible into current English did not use the original Hebrew texts, but used versions translated ... largely by St. Jerome in the fourth century. Jerome had mistranslated the Hebraic metaphor, "Day star, son of the Dawn," as "Lucifer," and over the centuries a metamorphosis took place. Lucifer the morning star became a disobedient angel, cast out of heaven to rule eternally in hell. Theologians, writers, and poets interwove the myth with the doctrine of the Fall, and in Christian tradition Lucifer is now the same as Satan, the Devil, and --- ironically --- the Prince of Darkness.
So "Lucifer" is nothing more than an ancient Latin name for the morning star, the bringer of light. That can be confusing for Christians who identify Christ himself as the morning star, a term used as a central theme in many Christian sermons. Jesus refers to himself as the morning star in Revelation 22:16: "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."
And so there are those who do not read beyond the King James version of the Bible, who say 'Lucifer is Satan: so says the Word of God'...."
[/blockquote]Henry Neufeld (a Christian who comments on Biblical sticky issues) went on to say,
[blockquote]"this passage is often related to Satan, and a similar thought is expressed in Luke 10:18 by Jesus, that was not its first meaning. It's primary meaning is given in Isaiah 14:4 which says that when Israel is restored they will "take up this taunt against the king of Babylon . . ." Verse 12 is a part of this taunt song. This passage refers first to the fall of that earthly king...
How does the confusion in translating this verse arise? The Hebrew of this passage reads: "heleyl, ben shachar" which can be literally translated "shining one, son of dawn." This phrase means, again literally, the planet Venus when it appears as a morning star. In the Septuagint, a 3rd century BC translation of the Hebrew scriptures into Greek, it is translated as "heosphoros" which also means Venus as a morning star.
How did the translation "lucifer" arise? This word comes from Jerome's Latin Vulgate. Was Jerome in error? Not at all. In Latin at the time, "lucifer" actually meant Venus as a morning star. Isaiah is using this metaphor for a bright light, though not the greatest light to illustrate the apparent power of the Babylonian king which then faded."
[/blockquote]Therefore, Lucifer wasn't equated with Satan until after Jerome. Jerome wasn't in error. Later Christians (and Mormons) were in equating "Lucifer" with "Satan".
So why is this a problem to Christians? Christians now generally believe that Satan (or the Devil or Lucifer who they equate with Satan) is a being who has always existed (or who was created at or near the "beginning"). Therefore, they also think that the 'prophets' of the Old Testament believed in this creature. The Isaiah scripture is used as proof (and has been used as such for hundreds of years now). As Elaine Pagels explains though, the concept of Satan has evolved over the years and the early Bible writers didn't believe in or teach such a doctrine.
The irony for those who believe that "Lucifer" refers to Satan is that the same title ('morning star' or 'light-bearer') is used to refer to Jesus, in 2 Peter 1:19, where the Greek text has exactly the same term: 'phos-phoros' 'light-bearer.' This is also the term used for Jesus in Revelation 22:16.
So why is Lucifer a far bigger problem to Mormons? Mormons claim that an ancient record (the Book of Mormon) was written beginning in about 600 BC, and the author in 600 BC supposedly copied Isaiah in Isaiah's original words. When Joseph Smith pretended to translate the supposed 'ancient record', he included the Lucifer verse in the Book of Mormon. Obviously he wasn't copying what Isaiah actually wrote. He was copying the King James Version of the Bible. Another book of LDS scripture, the Doctrine & Covenants, furthers this problem in 76:26 when it affirms the false Christian doctrine that "Lucifer" means Satan. This incorrect doctrine also spread into a third set of Mormon scriptures, the Pearl of Great Price, which describes a war in heaven based, in part, on Joseph Smith's incorrect interpretation of the word "Lucifer" which only appears in Isaiah.
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That is one of the "adversaries" greatest tricks IMO. He has people thinking he's this big, ugly, feller w/ a pitch fork and tail. He is not!
He is however, one of God's most intelligent creations. He is very sly, cunning, etc. My picture of him would be someone that ALL people could relate to. Country folks (like me), rich business types, etc. He would "appear" to be one of them so as to not stand out. Make people think he's their friend.
BTW, he doesn't mess much w/ lost people. Why should he? He already has them. He wants to attack God's people. Not been feeling any convictions latley? BETTER CHECK UP!!!!!!!
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Renfrow, I feel that folk turn away from God for much the same reason that Satan had. Satan fell because of pride and desire to please himself. The devil did'nt want to be a servant of God . . .he wanted to be God. I think that when the devil tempted Eve in the Garden that he tempted them with these same things. . .
Gen 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
So it seems to me that the desire of Satan also appealed to Adam and Eve. Now of course we know we can't be god's but folk turn away from God because they want to serve themselves rather than to serve God.
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