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Old 10-31-2006, 05:28 PM   #1
 
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The Dual Nature of Christ
From the Bible we see thatYeshua Ha masshiachhad two distinct natures in a way that no other human being has ever had. One nature is human or fleshly; the other nature is divine or Spirit.Yeshua was both fully man and fully God. The nameYeshua refers to the eternal Spirit of God (the Father) dwelling in the flesh. We can use the nameYeshua to describe either one of His two natures or both. For example, when we sayYeshua died on the cross, we mean His flesh died on the cross. When we sayYeshua lives in our hearts, we mean His Spirit is there.
Below is a comparative list that will illustrate what we mean when we sayYeshua had two natures or a dual nature.




Table 8: The Dual Nature of Yeshua Ha masshiach


As a man, Yeshua

But as God, He:


1
Was born a baby
Luke 2:7
Existed from eternity
Micah 5:2; John 1:1-2

2
Grew mentally, physically, spiritually, socially
Luke 2:52
Never changes
Hebrews 13:8

3
Was tempted by the devil
Luke 4:2
Cast out devils
Matthew 12:28

4
Hungered
Matthew 4:2
Was the Bread of Life and miraculously fed multitudes
John 6:35; Mark 6:38-44, 52

5
Thirsted
John 19:28
Gave living water
John 4:14

6
Grew weary
John 4:6
Gave rest
Matthew 11:28

7
Slept in a storm
Mark 4:38
Calmed the storm
Mark 4:39-41

8
Prayed
Luke 22:41
Answered prayer
John 14:14

9
Was scourged and beaten
John 19:1-3
Healed the sick
Matthew 8:16-17; IPeter 2:24

10
Died
Mark 15:37
Raised His own body from the dead
John 2:19-21; 20:9

11
Was a sacrifice for sin
Hebrews 10:10-12
Forgave sin
Mark 2:5-7

12
Did not know all things
Mark 13:32
Knew all things
John 21:17

13
Had no power
John 5:30
Had all power
Matthew 28:18; Colossians 2:10

14
Was inferior to God
John 14:28
Was equal to God- was God
John 5:18

15
Was a servant
Philippians 2:7-8
Was King of kings
Revelation 19:16
We can resolve most questions about the Godhead if we properly understand the dual nature of Yeshua. When we read a statement aboutYeshua we must determine if it describesYeshua as a man or as God. Moreover, wheneverYeshua speaks in Scripture we must determine whether He is speaking as man or as God. Whenever we see a description of two natures with respect to Yeshua, we should not think of two persons in the Godhead or of two Gods, but we should think of Spirit and flesh.
Sometimes it is easy to get confused when the Bible describesYeshua in these two different roles, especially when it describes Him acting in both roles in the same story. For example, He could sleep one minute and calm the storm the next minute. He could speak as man one moment and then as God the next moment. However, we must always remember thatYeshua is fully God and not merely an anointed man. At the same time, He was fully man, not just an appearance of man. He had a dual nature unlike anything we have, and we cannot adequately compare our existence or experience to His. What would seem strange or impossible if applied to a mere human becomes understandable when viewed in the context of One who is both fully God and fully man at the same time.
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Thats good teaching Bro Alex. . . .now . . . .where's those pics from your hunting trip?
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Am still butchering away ! will post tomorrow
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Very good teaching. This is the heart of the Oneness doctrine as I beleive is taught in the Holy Scriptures. The Oneness believers have recently been accused of denying the Father and giving everything to the Son. I think it was the same day, the same brother said in anotherthread,that the Oneness denied the Son. An indepth study of these scriptures will shed some light on what the Oneness believe and teach. Bro Mac has repeatedly brought up, and shown from the word of the Lord, the dual nature of Jesus. I fail to see the denial of The Father, or the denial of The Son in the dual nature. I do see a denial in three separate and distince persons. IMO, separate by definition means 1. put apart 2. disconnect 3. become parted or disengaged. 4.put out of or remove from personal association.
distinct by definition means 1. not the same 2. not alike; not like; different. To my understanding The Father, The Son, and The Holy Ghost can't be the same God if the above definitions apply at all. God cannot be one if there are three separate and distinct beings. May be separate and distinct are terms that shouldn't be used in a discription of God. IMO "dual nature" answers all the objection of the Trinity doctrine.
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God cannot be one if there are three separate and distinct beings.
ummm....by what authority do you stand, to claim what God can/can't do?
...what God can/can't be?
God is God, and can be whatever he wants... he can be 1 billion parts, if thats' what HE wnats to be...

Question: is ice, water? is steam, water ? are they not the SAME in molecular form? at the minutist level?
they are water. same could be said of the egg.... 3 parts/1 egg.
no wonder Jesus said you had to come as a little child, it takes faith, not knowledge.
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ummm....by what authority do you stand, to claim what God can/can't do?
...what God can/can't be?
God is God, and can be whatever he wants.

I stand on the authority of Gods written word, Hebrews 6:18 That by two immutable things, in which itwas impossible for God to lie, we might have strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us.

This is what was spoken by the God which cannot lie.

Isaiah 43:10 Ye are my (singular) witnesses, saith the Lord, (singular) and my servant whom I (singular) have chosen: that ye MAY KNOW and BELIEVE me, (singular) and UNDERSTAND that I (singular) am He: (singular) before me (singular) there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. (singular) V:11 I, (singular) even I, (singular) am the Lord; (singular) and beside me (singular) there is no Savior.

Does this say that there are two more separate and distinct persons before, beside, or after him?

You ask
Question: is ice, water? is steam, water ? are they not the SAME in molecular form? at the minutist level?
they are water. same could be said of the egg.... 3 parts/1 egg.
no wonder Jesus said you had to come as a little child, it takes faith, not knowledge.

So is this what you are asking? Is the Father also the Son? Is the Holy Ghost also the Son? Is the Son also the Father? Just as water, ice, steam are just manifestations of the one and the same molecular form? Just as the same water when formed into ice remains the same water only in another form or manifestation. It isn't separate and distinct is it? The same with steam, isn't it the same water that was manifested as ice"? So are you showing that when God was manifest in the flesh, it was the same God that was in the beginning and spoke all things into existance? That he was just taking upon himself another form for a different function in his relationship with mankind? When one received The Holy Ghost, are you saying that the Spirit received is another manifestation of The Father, and of The Son? Like water, ice, and steam?
With the egg, are you saying that the yoke isn't separate and distince from the white and the shell" That they are all the same egg? The shell is the egg, (the Father is God) The white is the same egg, (Jesus is God) the yoke is also the same egg, (the Holy Ghost is God). Soare all three manifestations of the egg, the same egg? Look again at the definations of separate and distinct. The shell, the white, the yoke are all THE EGG. The Father, The Son, and The Holy Ghost are all the one true God.
He that hath seen me, hath seen The Father, how sayest thou then shew us the Father?

Is there just one scripture that states that God is three? Just one scripture that says The Father is separate and dictince from the Son? That The Holy Ghost is separate and distince from the Father. One scripture that says God is a Trinity?
How many scriptures plainly declare that God is ONE?

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ummm....by what authority do you stand, to claim what God can/can't do?
...what God can/can't be?
God is God, and can be whatever he wants.

I stand on the authority of Gods written word, Hebrews 6:18 That by two immutable things, in which itwas impossible for God to lie, we might have strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us.

This is what was spoken by the God which cannot lie.

Isaiah 43:10 Ye are my (singular) witnesses, saith the Lord, (singular) and my servant whom I (singular) have chosen: that ye MAY KNOW and BELIEVE me, (singular) and UNDERSTAND that I (singular) am He: (singular) before me (singular) there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. (singular) V:11 I, (singular) even I, (singular) am the Lord; (singular) and beside me (singular) there is no Savior.

Does this say that there are two more separate and distinct persons before, beside, or after him?

You ask
Question: is ice, water? is steam, water ? are they not the SAME in molecular form? at the minutist level?
they are water. same could be said of the egg.... 3 parts/1 egg.
no wonder Jesus said you had to come as a little child, it takes faith, not knowledge.

So is this what you are asking? Is the Father also the Son? Is the Holy Ghost also the Son? Is the Son also the Father? Just as water, ice, steam are just manifestations of the one and the same molecular form? Just as the same water when formed into ice remains the same water only in another form or manifestation. It isn't separate and distinct is it? The same with steam, isn't it the same water that was manifested as ice"? So are you showing that when God was manifest in the flesh, it was the same God that was in the beginning and spoke all things into existance? That he was just taking upon himself another form for a different function in his relationship with mankind? When one received The Holy Ghost, are you saying that the Spirit received is another manifestation of The Father, and of The Son? Like water, ice, and steam?
With the egg, are you saying that the yoke isn't separate and distince from the white and the shell" That they are all the same egg? The shell is the egg, (the Father is God) The white is the same egg, (Jesus is God) the yoke is also the same egg, (the Holy Ghost is God). Soare all three manifestations of the egg, the same egg? Look again at the definations of separate and distinct. The shell, the white, the yoke are all THE EGG. The Father, The Son, and The Holy Ghost are all the one true God.
He that hath seen me, hath seen The Father, how sayest thou then shew us the Father?

Is there just one scripture that states that God is three? Just one scripture that says The Father is separate and dictince from the Son? That The Holy Ghost is separate and distince from the Father. One scripture that says God is a Trinity?
How many scriptures plainly declare that God is ONE?
the Father and I are ONE....... this is my SON, in whom I'm well pleased..... WRITTEN WORDS,BRO!!!

sorry..... I didn't write those scriptures...you'll have to wait and talk to the man who penned 'em.
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the Father and I are ONE....... this is my SON, in whom I'm well pleased..... WRITTEN WORDS,BRO!!!

sorry..... I didn't write those scriptures...you'll have to wait and talk to the man who penned 'em.


AMEN!!! You prove my point completly!! I couldn't have said it plainer myself.
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