Hypocritical Pastors ?

[Alex The Hawk]

Now I hear here and in other communities ,christians say.
Christ did away with the law.

And then everytimeI visit a christian Church I hear the preaching and asking for the tithe.
So which one is it , Are we under the law or not ?

Or the law law left standing is the tithe ? [/align]

[Rebel Hog]

ORIGINAL: Alex The Hawk

And then everytimeI visit a christian Church I hear the preaching and asking for the tithe.
So which one is it , Are we under the law or not ?

Brother, Primitive Baptist do not believe in tithes.


Pss.50:7-12
[7] Hear, O my people, and I will speak; O Israel, and I will testify against thee: I am God, even thy God.
[8] I will not reprove thee for thy sacrifices or thy burnt offerings, to have been continually before me.
[9] I will take no bullock out of thy house, nor he goats out of thy folds.
[10] For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills.
[11] I know all the fowls of the mountains: and the wild beasts of the field are mine.
[12] If I were hungry, I would not tell thee: for the world is mine, and the fulness thereof.

[Rebel Hog]

I'm Independent Baptist.

Acts 20:35
[35] I have shewed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive.

[Chuck7]

Are we under the law or not ?
Alex

No we are not...Dave Wilkerson never ask for money nor preaches tithing.You are correct. It is hypocritical. We are either under all the law or none of it. I believe in New Testament giving. As God has prospered ..you bring in an offering ..not under pressure but willingly as God loveth a cheerful giver. Proverbs says "The righteous giveth and giveth and yet is never in want. " I believe a mature Christain is one that giveth alot because he loves God..not because he is under a law. I also do not believe my offering is limitedto the local church.If you see a brother in need you give.A good preacher does not have to manipulate or beg for money. Dave has 5 huge out reaches and they are not in the red in any of them..I checked them out. God provides.

C7

[Rebel Hog]

ORIGINAL: Chuck7

Are we under the law or not ?
Alex

No we are not...Dave Wilkerson never ask for money nor preaches tithing.You are correct. It is hypocritical.

C7

Well brother, this verse is from theOld Testament, do consider it hypocritical?

Mal.3:8
[8] Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.

A surprising biblical fact is that the poor did not pay tithes, but, instead, received from the tithe. This fact is made especially clear in the gleaning laws and in the purpose of the tithe. Jesus did not tithe, nor did he sin by failing to tithe because he was poor and did not own land or herd animals for his sustenance. The poor were only expected to give free-will offerings to the best of their ability.


This one is from the New Testament,

Mark 10:21
[21] Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

Acts 20:35
[35] I have shewed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive.

[Leafrivermac]

"For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious" (II Corinthians 3:11).
In every comparison of the law of Moses and the new covenant that came by Jesus Christ, the new covenant stands supreme. The characteristic word in the Book of Hebrews is better, and everything is better about the new covenant. If the law demanded tithes, then how much more should we who are under the "perfect law of liberty" give our tithes willingly. (See James 1:25). If the law is written in the fleshly tables of our hearts and we follow God's commands not from outward rules but because of our new nature, then how quickly and how easily we should give the tenth that belongs to the Lord" (See II Corinthians 3:3-6).
Some people say, "Oh, we do not pay tithes, because tithing was under the law." If that is a sufficient reason for not paying tithes, then we could also mistreat our parents, for the law said, Honour thy father and thy mother" (Exodus 20:12). In actuality, we honor our father and mother and we give our tithes because the principles of the law are written in our hearts by the Spirit of God. We give willingly and liberally because the Spirit motivates us to give what God has said is His.

[Rebel Hog]

Bump

[Chuck7]

Rebel.
We've been through this one before. I like you too much to debate with you on this one. It kind of falls under the Romans 14 chapter. If you are tithing by faith I certainly would encourage you to continue.

This my friend is why I don't believe we Gentiles keep the Old Testament law..

.Acts 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

6And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.

7And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
8And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;

9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

10Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? ????????????????????????????????????????????

11But we believe that through the grace of the LORD Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

[Rebel Hog]

Brother, I quoted from the New Testament! You don't like those verses?

We don't have a fancy multi million dollar church and don't provide a home and automobiles for the pastor, but we give and support the poor that come knocking on the church door. The offerings that are taken up in church are used to help the needy and the bus ministry. We have thousands of dollars in $25, $50, $75 and $100 Publix food vouchers for the poor. Wednesday nights is food bank night.

This is the kind of brothers and sisters I want to be around with and worship with. Just kind hearted and good olde countryGod fearing folk that will give and do anything for some one in need. Without tithes this would not be possible!!!

[Leafrivermac]

Adults being circumcised is a pretty rough treatment . . .prolly even more so in those days. Although many christians act like their being circumcised when asked to give.

It's strange to think that now we can do all the things that the law forbid because now we are not under the law.