Salvation is a free gift from God, it takes a none doubtfull believe that Christ atoned all of our sins, that nothing we do as humans can forgive your sins, only the shed blood of Yeshua is necessary.
But it takes faith in His salvation and a life of following in his holiness.
Works comes after we have accepted the gift; in the old establishment works were the key to salvation, because the Torah and its holiness made you a child of God.
Today Yeshua is the Living Torah
All children of God must do what the Father does;
angels do what the Father does and they do his will, a believer who does not do the works of the Father has a dead faith.
The New gospel of faith and no works is a dead faith.
"By their fruits ye shall know them" Yeshua
"show me your faith by your works and I will show you my works by my faith" James
"For we are created in his image to do good works which he has prepared before hand, that you may dwell in them" Paul
Psa 28:5 Because they regard not the works of the LORD, nor the operation of his hands, he shall destroy them, and not build them up.
Psa 111:2 The works of the LORD [are] great, sought out of all them that have pleasure therein
Psa 138:8 The LORD will perfect [that which] concerneth me: thy mercy, O LORD, [endureth] for ever: forsake not the works of thine own hands.
Jhn 6:28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God
They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.Yeshua
Jhn 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater [works] than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
Do you think you are excempt from doing the works of God ?
"In that Day many will come and say Lord in your Name We casted out demons and healed the sick, and I will reply, step away from me I never Knew you", (Jesus)[/align]Why did Jesus say this ? Because they were doing works without faith.
Works without faith is dead, faith without works is dead.[/align]Shalom[/align]
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"Blessed is He who Comes in The Name of The Lord"
Man's only hope for redemption (salvation) is through the atonement made by the Messiah (Lev. 17:11; Isa. 53; Dan. 9:24-26; I Cor. 15:22; Heb. 9:11-14, 28; John 1:12, 3:36), resulting in regeneration by the Holy Spirit (Tit. 3:5), which is the new birth (John 3:3-8). For by grace we are saved through faith, it is a gift of God (Eph. 2:8-9).
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Jesus said, "he who stands firm to the end will be saved" Mark 13:13.
Live Life in such a way that those who do not know Christ will come to know Him because they know you
Man's only hope for redemption (salvation) is through the atonement made by the Messiah (Lev. 17:11; Isa. 53; Dan. 9:24-26; I Cor. 15:22; Heb. 9:11-14, 28; John 1:12, 3:36), resulting in regeneration by the Holy Spirit (Tit. 3:5), which is the new birth (John 3:3-8). For by grace we are saved through faith, it is a gift of God (Eph. 2:8-9).
Why quote only half of the gospel ? Ephesians 2;8;9 is the truth but so is Ephesians 2;10
Which is a continuation of that stetement in verses 8-9
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
The reason we are created in Him into a new person is to carry on the works of the father, Faith without works is dead.
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"Blessed is He who Comes in The Name of The Lord"
The basic difference is that Primitive Baptists believe in salvation by grace. There are really only two positions that a person can occupy on this matter. One is that salvation is by grace, and the other is that salvation is by works. It cannot be a combination of the two. A person may say that he believes in salvation by grace, but if he sets forth any act of man's will, such as repentance, faith, baptism, or hearing the gospel, as a condition for obtaining it, then this position must be put on the works side. Primitive Baptists believe that salvation is of the Lord, that it is by His grace, and that nothing needs to be added to it.
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Jesus said, "he who stands firm to the end will be saved" Mark 13:13.
Live Life in such a way that those who do not know Christ will come to know Him because they know you
The Bible also teaches that faith cannot be separated from good works. "This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works"(Titus 3:8). There is no faith apart from or without works. James wrote of the inseparableness of faith and works: "What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? . . . Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only . . . For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also" (James 2:14, 17-24, 26).
__________________ And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
The basic difference is that Primitive Baptists believe in salvation by grace. There are really only two positions that a person can occupy on this matter. One is that salvation is by grace, and the other is that salvation is by works. It cannot be a combination of the two. A person may say that he believes in salvation by grace, but if he sets forth any act of man's will, such as repentance, faith, baptism, or hearing the gospel, as a condition for obtaining it, then this position must be put on the works side. Primitive Baptists believe that salvation is of the Lord, that it is by His grace, and that nothing needs to be added to it.
Reb, I'd have to disagree with the part I emphasized from your quote. I can't speak for everyone, but for my part obeying God's commands are in no way adding anything, and are certainly not in the same category as works of the flesh. As I've said many times before, we either do something, or we do absolutely nothing.
What I mean by that is we either have a choice, or we don't. If we have no choice, then it's out of our control. If we have no choice, God created some souls to be saved, and created others to be condemned. I don't believe God created anyone just so He could condemn them. I believe that God is no respecter of persons. I believe Christ's words when he said ask and it shall be given, seek and ye shall find, knock and it shall be opened unto you. He did not specify that this was only applicable to certain people.
If we have a choice, then there has to be a concious action on our part. Some will proclaim that it's simply believeing, or believing and confessing, and anything else is a work. I have yet to understand that line of thinking, or have anyone explain it with anything other than "I said so" or "that's what I believe". That's where the rub comes in--we either do something, or we do nothing. Making the choice to believe and/or confess is doing something. By any logical definition, it's a "work"--something that you conciously, actively, and in the case of confession physically do. Not a work of the flesh, which saves no one, but a work of obedience--simply doing what God said to do. One might say "It's not me, but God working in me.". If that is the case, then it's back to the argument that we are nothing more than puppets or robots programmed to act one way or another. If we have free will, and I believe we do, we have to make the choice to either serve God, or not, period.
Where the confusion come in, for me at least, is how someone can logically or even honestly declare that one act that we must conciously, actively, even physically perform is not a "work", while another is most definately a "work".
How is obeying God's command being placed in the same category as someone trying to earn a place in heaven? Any way you look at it--logically or scripturally--it simply doesn't make any sense. Add the fact that James said that as the body without the spirit is dead, so is faith without works dead, how can there be any argument? Will one argue that dead faith saves?
There is also the argument that works follow faith--but that is not what the Bible says. The Bible tells us, in James, that faith and works are inseperable--just as the body and spirit are inseperable, at least for either one to be living.
The answer, for me anyway, is simple. God said it, I believe it, that settles it.
Chad
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"We can have no '50-50' allegiance in this country. Either a man is an American and nothing else, or he is not an American at all."-- Theodore Roosevelt
A wise man's heart is at his right hand; but a fool's heart at his left. Ecclesiasties 10:2
The last four letters in American..........I Can
The last four letters in Republican........I Can
The last four letters in Democrats.........Rats
The only way God or anyone else sees our faith is through our response. Faith is not just a condition of the mind but a life-changing force. Paul cited Abraham as a example of justification by faith (Genesis 15:6; Romans 4:1-3). James used the same example to show that faith can only be demonstrated by works. Without works Abraham"s faith would have been dead. What if Abraham had said, "I believe God" but he would have refused to offer up Isaac? According to James, he would not have had true faith and so would not have been justified. God Himself told Abraham after he had willingly offered Isaac, "I will bless thee . . . because thou hast obeyed my voice" (Genesis 22:16-18).
__________________ And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
The basic difference is that Primitive Baptists believe in salvation by grace. There are really only two positions that a person can occupy on this matter. One is that salvation is by grace, and the other is that salvation is by works. It cannot be a combination of the two. A person may say that he believes in salvation by grace, but if he sets forth any act of man's will, such as repentance, faith, baptism, or hearing the gospel, as a condition for obtaining it, then this position must be put on the works side. Primitive Baptists believe that salvation is of the Lord, that it is by His grace, and that nothing needs to be added to it.
Reb, I'd have to disagree with the part I emphasized from your quote. I can't speak for everyone, but for my part obeying God's commands are in no way adding anything, and are certainly not in the same category as works of the flesh. As I've said many times before, we either do something, or we do absolutely nothing.
What I mean by that is we either have a choice, or we don't. If we have no choice, then it's out of our control. If we have no choice, God created some souls to be saved, and created others to be condemned. I don't believe God created anyone just so He could condemn them. I believe that God is no respecter of persons. I believe Christ's words when he said ask and it shall be given, seek and ye shall find, knock and it shall be opened unto you. He did not specify that this was only applicable to certain people.
If we have a choice, then there has to be a concious action on our part. Some will proclaim that it's simply believeing, or believing and confessing, and anything else is a work. I have yet to understand that line of thinking, or have anyone explain it with anything other than "I said so" or "that's what I believe". That's where the rub comes in--we either do something, or we do nothing. Making the choice to believe and/or confess is doing something. By any logical definition, it's a "work"--something that you conciously, actively, and in the case of confession physically do. Not a work of the flesh, which saves no one, but a work of obedience--simply doing what God said to do. One might say "It's not me, but God working in me.". If that is the case, then it's back to the argument that we are nothing more than puppets or robots programmed to act one way or another. If we have free will, and I believe we do, we have to make the choice to either serve God, or not, period.
Where the confusion come in, for me at least, is how someone can logically or even honestly declare that one act that we must conciously, actively, even physically perform is not a "work", while another is most definately a "work".
How is obeying God's command being placed in the same category as someone trying to earn a place in heaven? Any way you look at it--logically or scripturally--it simply doesn't make any sense. Add the fact that James said that as the body without the spirit is dead, so is faith without works dead, how can there be any argument? Will one argue that dead faith saves?
There is also the argument that works follow faith--but that is not what the Bible says. The Bible tells us, in James, that faith and works are inseperable--just as the body and spirit are inseperable, at least for either one to be living.
The answer, for me anyway, is simple. God said it, I believe it, that settles it.
Chad
I totally Agree with LBR.
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"Blessed is He who Comes in The Name of The Lord"
I'm not Primitive Baptist, I'm Independent Baptist. There's a difference. I was quoting from the Primitive Baptists beliefs. I don't believe we have Carte Blanche to do what we want. We have to Believe the Word, Repent and be Baptized.
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Jesus said, "he who stands firm to the end will be saved" Mark 13:13.
Live Life in such a way that those who do not know Christ will come to know Him because they know you
Faith Without Works Is Dead Faith.
