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Old 10-25-2006, 08:27 AM   #1
 
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Yesterday, I had a professor tell me that there is no possible way that the earth is only 6000 years old as the bible says. He said that scientists have calculated that some of the stars are millions of light years away, yet we can see them- meaning that the heavens and the earth have to be millions of years old because the light from the stars has travelled here.

Now, I firmly believe that everything the bible says is true. Inluding the age of the earth. But how do I counter this statement? Has any scientific work been done to prove the bible right on this issue?
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Carbon dating aged a coke bottle at 500, 000 years--so, so much for accuracy! Ken Hamm has some good info onthese subjects--and I am sorry, bt his particular ministry name escapes me at the moment. You can Google his name and it will come up though.
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Your Professor is correct. The laws of Physics, the same laws that all of our modern techenology including computers are based upon, clearly demonstrate that the light from the most distant objects that we can observe in the Universe have been travelling through space for at least 12 billion years. Therefore, theUniverse must be at least this old.

Bible literalists have no valid counter-argument to the observations of astronomers.

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Old 10-25-2006, 09:03 AM   #4
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If God can make man out of the dust of the earth and breathe the breath of life into his nostrils. Make him to appear to be in mature man capable of feeding and caring for himself without a mother, now realize this man is only new born, but appears to be late teens or early twenties. If God can make a woman out of the rib of a man. If God can create this garden with trees and plants capable of producing fruit in an instant, why then can God not create a world and universe appearing to be millions of years old. When he created the trees God knew man would need the fruit. When God created the earth, He knew they would need the fruit of the earth, fossil fuels and gems needed to sustain man and advance him in the direction God would want man to evolve.
I used to have a hard time with this question too, but God opened my eyes to the obvious.

See my answer will counter Californiadoctor too. He only sees with his eyes.
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Old 10-25-2006, 09:37 AM   #5
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The miracle of creation was achieved in a relative
instant, producing an effect which could have
only a supernatural cause. In the first chapter of Genesis,
God created trees and grasses, not just their seeds.
He created birds which could already fly, not eggs or
Even chicks.He created fish which could already swim,
not fish eggs. He created cattle, not calves. And He
created man and woman, not boy and girl. Speaking
to these animals, and to these people, God commanded:
"Be fruitful and multiply" (1:22,28). Notice that the
plants and animals began to multiply according to
their own kind almost straightaway (1:11,24).Immature
organisms could not have reproduced, and in
any case, would have perished in the absence of their
adult forms (1989, 27[10]:16). The stars He created werecreated light years away from the earth, in an instant they were there.
The moment God created matter itself, would it not have
appeared "mature""i.e., as if it already had existed? If God
had decided to create Adam as a baby, how could He have
produced a baby that did not look like it had gone through a
nine-month gestation period? If He had created an acorn,
how could He have created an acorn that did not look like it
had fallen from a mighty oak? Did God create the Earth "mature"?
Indeed He did. How could He have done otherwise?

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Old 10-25-2006, 09:44 AM   #6
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About 150 years ago there was a little booklet published that was very damaging to the church and the credibility of the scriptures. Fifty scientific reasons proving the scripture to be invalid in the light of modern science. Put forth by The French Academy of Medicine, ( I think that was the name). However today not one scientice believes any of those , "scientific proofs" offered then to be valid now.
The creation week may well have been a week, or sabbath of ages rather than of 24 hour time periods.
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Some have suggested that one of the most difficult questions
relating to the doctrine of the apparent age has to do with the
starlight that is seen by those of us on the Earth. The argument
usually goes something like this. We know today that light trav-
els at a speed slightly in excess of 186,000 miles per second.
The time it takes light to travel one year is referred to as a light year.
Yet we are able to see light from stars that are millions of
light-years away. How can this be if the Earth is young (with an
age measured in thousands, not millions or billions of years)?
Of course, a partial answer lies in the fact that God created the
light from heavenly bodies already en route and visible to the
Earth"s inhabitants (as a part of the mature creation).Without
that light, the night sky would lack patterns necessary for the
signs, seasons, days, and years specified so clearly in Genesis
1:14, and mankind would not have been able to see God"s
"glory and handiwork" (Psalm 19:1).

(This quote from Dr. Bert Thompson's Book, " The Bible and the age of the earth".

http://www.apologeticspress.org/pdfs/e-books_pdf/BibleAge.pdf

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If God can make man out of the dust of the earth and breathe the breath of life into his nostrils. Make him to appear to be in mature man capable of feeding and caring for himself without a mother, now realize this man is only new born, but appears to be late teens or early twenties. If God can make a woman out of the rib of a man. If God can create this garden with trees and plants capable of producing fruit in an instant, why then can God not create a world and universe appearing to be millions of years old. When he created the trees God knew man would need the fruit. When God created the earth, He knew they would need the fruit of the earth, fossil fuels and gems needed to sustain man and advance him in the direction God would want man to evolve.
I used to have a hard time with this question too, but God opened my eyes to the obvious.

See my answer will counter Californiadoctor too. He only sees with his eyes.
Wyotimberghost asked for a SCIENTIFIC argument that would prove a literal interpretation of the Bible correct. The above quote and any other statements that the Universe is really young but for some reason God has made it appear old have no basis in science.

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Carbon dating aged a coke bottle at 500, 000 years--so, so much for accuracy! Ken Hamm has some good info onthese subjects--and I am sorry, bt his particular ministry name escapes me at the moment. You can Google his name and it will come up though.
This story about a coke bottle is totally apocraphal. No scientist who understood carbon dating would attempt to date a coke bottle because he would know that only material made up of organic matter can be datedusing the relative decay of carbon isotopes and he would also know that glass contains no organic matter.

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Old 10-25-2006, 10:37 AM   #10
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I know I said I wouldn't post on here, but I can't resist as a scientist/engineer.

2 Peter 3:8
But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.

Luke 1:37
For nothing is impossible with God.

And lastly, think about this. If you as a mear mortal could understand a God who made the Earth and the Universe, he wouldn't be much of a God. would he. I don't know about you, but my standard for my God is much greater than man.
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