as i sat in my tree stand quietly pondering things ,a thought came to my mind .
we know that if any man happened to see god ,he would die ex 33:20 And he added: "You are not able to see my face, because no man may see me and yet live."
and yet many men have seen Jesus .if Jesus were in fact god then all who looked at him should of died right there on the spot. and even if god were to take on a different form he would still be god, the form would be irrelevant
even after Jesus died and appeared his apostles nether then did men fall down dead .this fact alone should show you that Jesus is not god thee almighty.
Jesus is the son of god ,a separate person,a lesser one in the heavens.
if Jesus were to appear before you no harm would come to you ,but if Jehovah were to appear you would blink out of existence.
I will not try to argue with what you believe but offer you an idea that usually follows (in my mind) the one that you just posted.
Indeed scripture says "no man may see me and live"...but Moses did see his "backparts".
Also, in verse 21 the Lord said "There is a place near me where you may stand on a rock...I will put you in a cleft in the rock and cover you with my hand." Here we can wonder if its just a mountain or if its also a symbolic/prophet mentioning of what Jesus will do. Think of terms like "hidden in Christ"...and "right hand of God" and "covered by the blood of Jesus". Just after this 'meeting' Moses was given the ten commandments and forever changed the way the Jewish people lived. Isn't that also the case that when we 'meet' Jesus we are forever changed? Aren't we taught that the old man dies and we are made anew? When a man sees Jesus for who he truely is...when he sees "His glory" he dies and becomes a new creation "in Christ", reborn and with the old man passed away.
I know that doesn't answer anything...but its stuff to think about and ponder.
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I will not try to argue with what you believe but offer you an idea that usually follows (in my mind) the one that you just posted.
Indeed scripture says "no man may see me and live"...but Moses did see his "backparts".
Also, in verse 21 the Lord said "There is a place near me where you may stand on a rock...I will put you in a cleft in the rock and cover you with my hand."* Here we can wonder if its just a mountain or if its also a symbolic/prophet mentioning of what Jesus will do.* Think of terms like "hidden in Christ"...and "right hand of God" and "covered by the blood of Jesus".* Just after this 'meeting' Moses was given the ten commandments and forever changed the way the Jewish people lived.* Isn't that also the case that when we 'meet' Jesus we are forever changed?* Aren't we taught that the old man dies and we are made anew?** When a man sees Jesus for who he truely is...when he sees "His glory" he dies and becomes a new creation "in Christ", reborn and with the old man passed away.
I know that doesn't answer anything...but its stuff to think about and ponder.
Great reply. May I add the Jesus was God but in human form. It says that he was tempted in all ways as we are. And in order to be tempted, you have to be part man. The Bible also says that Jesus was the Son of God and the Son of Man. In order for him to be human, he had to give up his glory in order to truly identify with mankind. This is why those who walked with Jesus and talke with him were able to survive physically. He was reincarniated as the Son of God and the Son of Man. But, at the same time, when someone trully sees Jesus for who He really is, they will die spiritually and become a new creation. I don't know if this helps.
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Hey Cat--haven't spoken to you in a while--how's the hunting going? As for your question, and it is a legitimate one, Phil 2 answers it for you. As ATC said, He did empty Himself of His glory and He , although He existed in the form of God, did not 'grasp' His equality with God, but emptied Himself and was made in the likeness of a man. God, became a man--Emmanuel, God with us. What people saw was this physical manifestation of God--not the glory of God--although all the fulnes of the Godhead dwelt in Him bodily(Col1). That 's why He could say,those who have seen me have seen the Father--like the old WWJD, except in this case it would be WWGD--if you really want to know what God is like and what He would be in person,sans the glory, which is too much for us--then look at Jesus and His actions, and you've seen God in action.
Hey Cat--haven't spoken to you in a while--how's the hunting going? As for your question, and it is a legitimate one, Phil 2 answers it for you. As ATC said, He did empty Himself of His glory and He , although He existed in the form of God, did not 'grasp' His equality with God, but emptied Himself and was made in the likeness of a man. God, became a man--Emmanuel, God with us. What people saw was this physical manifestation of God--not the glory of God--although all the fulnes of the Godhead dwelt in Him bodily(Col1). That 's why He could say,those who have seen me have seen the Father--like the old WWJD, except in this case it would be WWGD--if you really want to know what God is like and what He would be in person,sans the glory, which is too much for us--then look at Jesus and His actions, and you've seen God in action.
hey man
lets just say that this year sucks, not that i haven't connected ,i did take a doe last Sunday, but it has rained so much this year ,and i don't go hunting if its raining or if i know its going to rain,to many bad experiences .
this deer went down about 110 yd from the house,got to love it.
to whati pointed out at ex 33:20 And he added: "You are not able to see my face, because no man may see me and yet live." i stand by what i said . logic holds to the point that Jesus is some one other than god thee almighty.
"God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles believed on in the world, received up into glory" (I Timothy 3:16; see verse 15 for further confirmation that God is the subject of verse 16). God was manifest (made visible) in flesh; God was justified (shown to be right) in the Spirit; God was seen of angels; God was believed on in the world; and God was received up into glory. How and when did all of this happen? In Jesus Christ.
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"God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles believed on in the world, received up into glory" (I Timothy 3:16; see verse 15 for further confirmation that God is the subject of verse 16). God was manifest (made visible) in flesh; God was justified (shown to be right) in the Spirit; God was seen of angels; God was believed on in the world; and God was received up into glory. How and when did all of this happen? In Jesus Christ.
let the facts speak for them selves .you want to believe that Jesus is god but in so many ways the scriptures say he is not . we all know that the bible ,god's word , does not contradict it self but you are constantly trying to find verses to justify what you want to be believe,even if you have to contradict scripture to do it . i give you a simple fact about god ,ex 33:20 "You are not able to see my face, because no man may see me and yet live"
how simple does it have to be for you to get the understanding of whats being said ?if Jesus were in fact god the almighty it would not matter what his form ,he would still be god the almighty. if he could change his form and be come something else then he would lose one of his other quality's ,his righteousness.
so give it up and come to the understating that Jesus is a separate person.he answer to Jehovah he is subject to Jehovah and as the scriptures say Jesus is the son of god .Jehovah is god the father .
how much simpler can it get?
Zechariah offers convincing proof that Jesus is Jehovah. In the passage beginning with Zechariah 11:4, "the Lord my God said, "So they weighed for my price thirty pieces of silver." In Zechariah 12:10 Jehovah stated, "They shall look upon me whom they have pierced." Of course, it was Jesus who was sold for thirty pieces of silver, and who was pierced (Mathew 26:14-16; John 19:34). Zechariah 12:8 says with reference to the Messiah, "The house of David shall be as God."Zechariah also wrote, "The Lord my God shall come, and all saints with thee" and describes Him battling against many nations and stepping foot on the Mount of Olives (Zechariah 14:3-5). Of course, we know Jesus is the One coming back to the Mount of Olives as King of kings and Lord of lords to war against the nations (Acts 1:9-12; 1Timothy 6:14-16; Revelation 19: 11-16).
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i give you a simple fact about god ,ex 33:20 "You are not able to see my face, because no man may see me and yet live"
how simple does it have to be for you to get the understanding of whats being said ?
Cataway, another "simple fact" (assuming scripture is infallable) is that Moses did see God's "back parts". I've got no bones to pick with you but it really disturbs when people only focus on a particular verse or portion of a verse that they believe supports their case. I'm not sideing with anyone or on either side of the Oneness/Trinitarian...because frankly I've still not figured out exactly how each side comes to there conclusion. Again, I'm not siding or attacking anyone's veiws but if we're to use the "simple facts" present a fair amount of "facts"
Moses asked to see God's glory
He was told he couldn't see His face
All of His "glory" did pass before him
Moses did see His backparts.
What the facts mean or represent is totally up to each individual.
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Anything I say is my opinion, just that...and only that.
"...and what does the Lord require of you, but to do justly, love mercy, and walk humbly with your God?
Jesus god thee almighty?
