Genesis 1:26 -
"Let US make man in OUR image": Three plural pronouns, (We, Us, Our) used 6 different times in four different passages: Gen 1:26; 3:22; 11:7; Isa 6:8. The unanimous opinion of the apostolic Fathers was that the Father was talking to Jesus.
A. Three plural pronouns, (We, Us, Our) used 6 different times in four different passages. Remember the word God (elohim) is also plural every time it is used in the Old Testament. Gen 11:7 also includes a plural verb (confuse) which even further, through grammar reinforces the plural "elohim" and the plural pronoun US.
[ol][*]"Our" Gen 1:26 [*]"Us" Gen 1:26; 3:22; 11:7; Isa 6:8 [*]"We" Isa 6:8[/ol]
B. These are the four passages where God speaks for Himself and uses plural pronouns:
[ol][*]"Then God [plural elohim] said, "Let Us [plural pronoun] make man in Our [plural pronoun] image, according to Our [plural pronoun] likeness" Genesis 1:26[*]"Then Yahweh God [plural elohim] said, "Behold, the man has become like one of Us [plural pronoun], knowing good and evil" Genesis 3:22[*]"Come, let Us [plural pronoun] go down and there confuse [plural form of balal] their language, so that they will not understand one another"™s speech." Genesis 11:7[*]"Then I heard the voice of the Lord [plural elohim], saying, "Whom shall I send, and who will go for Us [plural pronoun]?"" Isaiah 6:8[/ol]
The doctrine of the Trinity is true. I can't go against what the Bible clearly teaches.
Trae
John taught doctrine of both Father and Son
These verses following show John's doctrine of both the Father and Son:
1John 2:22-24
22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
Lot's of great verses there Trae. Must be over 30 different ones tonight here and yet I still read .."No one has quoted one verse yet showing God and Jesus are not the same ."
Matthew 6:23 If then the light in you is darkness, how great is the darkness!
Isaiah 45:23-24: "I have sworn by Myself, The word has gone forth from My mouth in righteousness And will not turn back, That to Me every knee will bow, every tongue will swear allegiance. They will say of Me, "˜Only in the Lord are righteousness and strength."™ Men will come to Him, And" all who were angry at Him shall be put to shame.
Philippians 2:9-11: "Therefore also God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name,that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those who are in heaven, and on earth, and under the earth,and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."
[ol][*]Isaiah 45:23-24 states that every knee shall bow to Jehovah and every tongue shall confess allegiance to Jehovah.[*]Isaiah 45:23-24 is quoted and applied to the Father in Romans 14:9-12 and applied to the Son in Philippians 2:9-11[*]Therefore Jehovah is applied to both the Father and the Son. Further, Isaiah 45:23-24 is another example of the highest form of joint worship.[/ol]
Anti-Trinitarians know they are in trouble with this verse. First they deny Phil 2:9-11 is a quote of Isa 45:23-24. Next they will say that Phil 2:9-11 teaches that every knee will bow to the Father, not Jesus. Then, they flip-flop (often in the same article) and say that that it does apply to Jesus but that this is not the highest form of honor equal to what the Father would receive. Just as slaves bow to human masters, men bow to Jesus.
1Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
There has to be someone on each side for you to stand between. You can't stand between yourself and another person.
The doctrine of the Trinity is true. I can't go against what the Bible clearly teaches.
Trae
Isaiah 43:3 I am the Lord thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Savior.
Is 43:that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. V11 I, even I am the Lord and beside me there is no savior.
Is 44:6 Thus saith the Lord the King od Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts, I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and and he will dwell with them, and and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things
Is 45:5 I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me. V:6 I am the Lord and there is none else.
Is 45:18 For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath estabilished it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the Lord; and there is none else.
Jo 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Jo 1:3 All things were made by him and without him was not anything made that was made.
Jo 1:14 and the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us,
Col 1:15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: V:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible.
Is 45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
Is 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, there is none else; I an God, and there is none like me.
Is 49:26 and all flesh shall know that I the Lord am thy Savior, the Mighty One of Jacob.
Duet 6:4 Hear, O Israel: the Lord our God is one Lord.
Matt 1:21 and thou shall call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Matt 1:23 and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
Jo 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
Jo 8:25 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.
Just the tip of the iceburg. Show me a doctrine of three from these scriptures and I will give you a bigger list to work with.
Genesis 1:26 -
"Let US make man in OUR image": Three plural pronouns, (We, Us, Our) used 6 different times in four different passages: Gen 1:26; 3:22; 11:7; Isa 6:8. The unanimous opinion of the apostolic Fathers was that the Father was talking to Jesus.
A. Three plural pronouns, (We, Us, Our) used 6 different times in four different passages. Remember the word God (elohim) is also plural every time it is used in the Old Testament. Gen 11:7 also includes a plural verb (confuse) which even further, through grammar reinforces the plural "elohim" and the plural pronoun US.
[ol][*]"Our" Gen 1:26 [*]"Us" Gen 1:26; 3:22; 11:7; Isa 6:8 [*]"We" Isa 6:8[/ol]
B. These are the four passages where God speaks for Himself and uses plural pronouns:
[ol][*]"Then God [plural elohim] said, "Let Us [plural pronoun] make man in Our [plural pronoun] image, according to Our [plural pronoun] likeness" Genesis 1:26[*]"Then Yahweh God [plural elohim] said, "Behold, the man has become like one of Us [plural pronoun], knowing good and evil" Genesis 3:22[*]"Come, let Us [plural pronoun] go down and there confuse [plural form of balal] their language, so that they will not understand one another"™s speech." Genesis 11:7[*]"Then I heard the voice of the Lord [plural elohim], saying, "Whom shall I send, and who will go for Us [plural pronoun]?"" Isaiah 6:8[/ol]
The doctrine of the Trinity is true.Â* I can't go against what the Bible clearly teaches.
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Amen, you hit the nail on the head.
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[ul][*]Gen. 1:26, "Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness..."[*]Gen. 19:24, "Then the LORD rained on Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven."[*]Amos 4:10-11, ""˜I sent a plague among you after the manner of Egypt; I slew your young men by the sword along with your captured horses, and I made the stench of your camp rise up in your nostrils; yet you have not returned to Me,' declares the LORD. "˜I overthrew you as God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah...'"[*]Isaiah 44:6, "Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: "˜I am the first and I am the last, and there is no God besides me..."˜" See also, Isaiah 48:16. [/ul] Appearances of God
[ul][*]Gen. 17:1,"Now when Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD appeared to Abram and said to him, "I am God Almighty; walk before Me, and be blameless."[*]Gen. 18:1,"Now the LORD appeared to him by the oaks of Mamre, while he was sitting at the tent door in the heat of the day."[*]Ex. 6:2-3,"God spoke further to Moses and said to him, "˜I am the LORD; and I appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as God Almighty, but by My name LORD I did not make myself known to them.'"[*]Exodus 24:9-11,"Then Moses went up with Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel, and they saw the God of Israel; and under His feet there appeared to be a pavement of sapphire, as clear as the sky itself. Yet He did not stretch out His hand against the nobles of the sons of Israel; and they beheld God, and they ate and drank."[*]Exodus 33:11,"Thus the LORD used to speak to Moses face to face, just as a man speaks to his friend..."[*]Num. 12:6-8,"He [God] said, "Hear now My words: If there is a prophet among you, I, the LORD, shall make Myself known to him in a vision. I shall speak with him in a dream. Not so, with My servant Moses, He is faithful in all My household; with him I speak mouth to mouth, even openly, and not in dark sayings, and he beholds the form of the LORD..."[*]Acts 7:2,"And he [Stephen] said, "Hear me, brethren and fathers! The God of glory appeared to our father Abraham when he was in Mesopotamia, before he lived in Haran...." [/ul] Can't see God:
[ul][*]Exodus 33:20,"But He [God] said, "˜You cannot see My face, for no man can see Me and live!'"[*]John 1:18,"No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten God, who is in the bosom of the Father; He has explained Him."[*]1 Tim. 6:16, "[God] who alone possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light; whom no man has seen or can see."[*]John 6:46,"Not that any man has seen the Father except the One who is from God; He has seen the Father."[*]John 8:58, "Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am."[*]Exodus 3:14,"And God said to Moses, "˜I AM WHO I AM'; and He said, "˜Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, "˜I AM has sent me to you.'" [*]Zech. 12:10,"And I [God] will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and of supplication, so that they will look on Me whom they have pierced; and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son..." [/ul]
It is evident above that God was seen. But, considering the "Can't-see-God" verses, some would understandably argue that people have not seen God; otherwise, there would be a contradiction in the Bible. A possible explanation for this is that people were seeing visions, or dreams, or the Angel of the LORD (Num. 22:22-26; Judges 13:1-21). But the problem is that the verses cited above do not say vision, dream, or Angel of the LORD. They say that people saw God (Exodus 24:9-11), that God was seen, and that He appeared as God Almighty (Ex. 6:2-3).
At first, this is difficult to understand. God Almighty was seen (Ex. 6:2-3) which means it was not the Angel of the Lord, for an angel is not God Almighty, and at least Moses saw God, not in a vision or dream, as the LORD Himself attests in Num. 12:6-8. If these verses mean what they say, then we naturally assume we have a contradiction. Actually, the contradiction exists in our understanding, not in the Bible--which is always the case with alleged biblical contradictions.
The solution is simple. All you need to do is accept what the Bible says. If the people of the OT were seeing God, the Almighty God, and Jesus said that no one has ever seen the Father (John 6:46), then they were seeing God Almighty, but not the Father. It was someone else in the Godhead. I suggest that they were seeing the Word before He became incarnate. In other words, they were seeing Jesus; compare John 8:58 with Exodus 3:14 above.
If God is a Trinity, then John 1:18 is not a problem either because in John chapter one, John writes about the Word (Jesus) and God (the Father). In verse 14 it says the Word became flesh. In verse 18 it says no one has seen God. Since Jesus is the Word, God then, refers to the Father, and the apparent contradiction is easily resolved, especially when this is examined in the light of Jesus' words in John 6:46 where He said that no one has ever seen the Father. Therefore, Almighty God was seen, but not the Father. It was Jesus before His incarnation. There is more than one person in the Godhead and the doctrine of the Trinity must be true.
To add to this good commentary, I would point out also, in John 1 that it is stated, , In the beginning WAS the Word(CHRIST--WHICH IS UNDENIABLE), and the Word WASWITH God, and the WordWAS God--was and was with--with whom ,Himself? The Word was already Godand with God, and became flesh, nothing about taking on a role as in the Father becoming the Son, or simply manifesting Himself as now, a finite being--the Word already existed in the beginning. Later , it is evident, when the Father speaks to the Son, and declares that this isMY beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased--and subsequently we see the Spirit descend on Him in the form of a dove--Father, Son and Spirit together simultaneously! That leaves some serious explaining to do, given the oneness view!
First, the Biblical view of the Trinity is based on the fact that the Godhead is "one" this refers to their unity, not that there is only one and the others are not actually part of the Godhead. They are one in purpose completely unified and together in judgement.
Second, the diety of Christ must be accepted. He is part of the Godhead, and is reigning over the Kingdom, which is the church.
Third, there is distinction in the Godhead. Three distinct persons, yet one distinct purpose. This is easily understood by considering an egg, there is the shell, the white, and the yoke. These three parts make up the one egg.
Last, is the fact that there is submission in the Godhead. In Mark 14:36, Jesus says "not My will but Yours" to God the father. He was in submission to the Father. In 1 Corinthians 15:28 Jesus is subject to the Father.
This is the Biblical view of the Trinity. There are other versions of the doctrine, but these points make up the distinct Biblical view of our God. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.
Trae
What the Bible says about the Trinity...
