No one in the Bible ever prayed for their initial salvation. They did however believe, repent, confess Jesus and be immersed in water for the forgiveness of their sins. The sinners prayer is a an innovation that thwarts God's plan of salvation. First they replaced believers baptism by immersion with infant baptism by sprinkling. Second they later replaced baptism altogether with the "sinners prayer" so that baptism is no longer even part of the plan of salvation. In my opinion, if you prayed the "sinners prayer" for your salvation, you are still lost in your sins, because it is not what God said to do.
I've never been in a church that has replaced baptism with the sinner's prayer. I've seen churches where a prayer was led and followed by baptism. So many times we make blanket statements concerning churches which are false. I personally have not seen 2 churches ran exactly the same...
c7
Saying the sinner's prayer is simply a way of declaring to God that you are relying on Jesus Christ as your Savior. There are no "magical" words that result in salvation. It is only faith in Jesus' death and resurrection that can save us. If you understand that you are a sinner and in need of salvation through Jesus Christ, here is a sinner's prayer you can pray to God: "God, I know that I am a sinner. I know that I deserve the consequences of my sin. However, I am trusting in Jesus Christ as my Savior. I believe that His death and resurrection provided for my forgiveness. I trust in Jesus and Jesus alone as my personal Lord and Savior. Thank you Lord, for saving me and forgiving me! Amen!"
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No one in the Bible ever prayed for their initial salvation. They did however believe, repent, confess Jesus and be immersed in water for the forgiveness of their sins. The sinners prayer is a an innovation that thwarts God's plan of salvation. First they replaced believers baptism by immersion with infant baptism by sprinkling. Second they later replaced baptism altogether with the "sinners prayer" so that baptism is no longer even part of the plan of salvation. In my opinion, if you prayed the "sinners prayer" for your salvation, you are still lost in your sins, because it is not what God said to do.
What do you say?
Trae
What do I say? I say that the salvation by works crowd just can't go more than a few weeks without stirring up controversial doctrines like baptismal regeneration. While ignoring the thousands of verses that prove salvation only comes thru the precious blood of christ they take a few verses on baptism to espouse their do it yourself savation by works.
." Acts 10:47 plainly declares, "Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?"
Just as the thief on the cross was saved without baptism the men in acts 10 were saved without baptism.
Baptism in water does not wash away our sins. Only the blood of christ will wash away our sins.
Baptismal regeneration is a pagan ritual found from babylon all the way to mexico. Brought into christianity by rome (read two babylons by Alex. Hyslop).
as yet another way of controling and lording over the masses.
Matt. 7:3Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but don't consider the beam that is in your own eye?
Baptism in water does not wash away our sins. Only the blood of christ will wash away our sins.
Baptismal regeneration is a pagan ritual found from babylon all the way to mexico. Brought into christianity by rome (read two babylons by Alex. Hyslop).
Acts 2:38 - "Repent and be baptized for the remission of your sins"
Those "which had received the Holy Ghost" in Acts 10:47 had not yet received salvation. The "pouring outof the Holy Ghost" (v. 45) was not salvation. You must keep in mind that throughout the book of Acts we see this over and over. The Holy Ghost (Spirit) came upon people and they received miraculous powers not salvation. When you read in v. 46 you will see that they were speeking in tongues. The pouring outof the Holy Spirit was a matter of miraculous powers not salvation. However, typically the pouring out of the Holy Ghost came at the point of salvation which was baptism.
A situation in Corinth has arose which is dividing the Church. Some are saying they follow Paul , some Apollos, some Peter, others say they are of Christ only. Paul uses both the example of Christ dying for them and being baptized in his name to illustrate their divisiveness. Paul then states "Ithank God I baptized none of you." Less they say they were baptized in the name of Paul. he only baptized a few. This is quite a dilemma for those who say baptism saves.
Paul states, "Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the Gospel." If baptism was a central part of the Gospel message, Paul would never have stated this. If baptism = regeneration paul would be saying ...Christ sent me not to regenerate, but to preach the Gospel.
Paul would not want to detract a believer from the redemptive work of Christ's death and the regenerating power of the Holy Spirit. Baptism can and does detract if we make it in any sense that which can complete God's saving work of grace. If Baptism = Regeneration than paul would be saying ....I thank God I regenerated none of you.
1 Cor. 15:1-4, Paul tells us the Gospel message he delivered is in its entirety - Christ's death, burial and resurrection; no baptism is mentioned. He would not have overlooked this important fact. This has the content of the Gospel that Paul preached - there is only one Gospel. This is what we are told to stand in, lest we believe in vain.
1 Cor. 4:15 In fact Paul states he was the Corinthian Church's father and he had begotten them through the Gospel.This could not be true if baptism was part of the Gospel since, according to the account in 1 Cor. 1:14-17, he only baptized three people. Paul would then be guilty of delivering only part of the message he gave his life to preach. He would then be labeled a false teacher, someone who delivered another Gospel.
1 Cor. 1:18 The message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to those who are being saved it is the power of God. It is by the cross of Christ that one is saved, through his atoning death, his shed blood, nothing more, nothing less; vs. 21, then it pleased God, by the preaching of the cross, to save those who believe; vs. 23, we preach Christ crucified.
You really have to wonder why some people are so adament about Ignoring or down playing the blood of christ while constantly preaching salvation by works thru man. If baptism was needed for salvation we would be totaly dependent on the act of another human baptizing us. Their role would be just as important as Christs for without them you could not be saved. But even than the saved by works crowd has a problem. They say you can lose your salvation if you sin again after your saved. So Trae, tell me why your not rebaptized again each and every time you sin.
WOW !!!!!Thanks for posting this.You have helped me understand somethings and i'm serious. Let 's look at your reply. By the way ..I've had that miraculous expereince you talk about. However; I'm not so closed minded that I believe one must speak in tongues to be spirit filled.
Those "which had received the Holy Ghost" in Acts 10:47 had not yet received salvation.You may be on something here..wait a second. I just had a thought. Those 120 in the upper room were praying believers. They were already saved.The "pouring outof the Holy Ghost" (v. 45) was not salvation.True..and interesting concept ..thanks.You must keep in mind that throughout the book of Acts we see this over and over. The Holy Ghost (Spirit) came upon people and they received miraculous powers not salvation.Well the Holy Spirit seemed to clarify that they had recieved the gift of the Holy Ghost.When you read in v. 46 you will see that they were speeking in tongues. The pouring outof the Holy Spirit was a matter of miraculous powers not salvation.This is a new concept to me. Thanks again.However, typically the pouring out of the Holy Ghost came at the point of salvation which was baptism
Good stuff but probably should be a different thread. Nice having you here by the way.
c7
This is not even my thread but I would like to comment on your remark "salvation thru works by man" in regards to baptism. I believe (like you) that baptism cannot and will not ever "save" anyone. I also believe (like you) that it is the blood of Christ that washes awayand makes atonement for onessins. There is nothing that man can ever do to "earn" salvation. I do believe, however, that it is at the point of baptism that one comes in contact with the blood ofChrist,has their sins washed awayand is saved. It is not the "act" of baptism that saves us butour "obedience" tothe Gospel of Christ thatputs us in a position to be savedby the grace of God.
The Sinner's Prayer is NOT in the Bible
