drunkness

deerhunter1224 · 09-26-2006, 08:17 PM

I know it says drunkness is wrong in the bible. What is drunkness? God doesnt say we cant drink. At what point are you a drunkard?

wyotimberghost · 09-27-2006, 12:36 AM

That's a good question. If you think about it, one beer can mean the difference between being "buzzed" and being "drunk". So does that one beer suddenly make it a sin?

And what of underage drinking- is it a sin simply because it is agianst the laws of man? The laws of man are not always in accordance with the will of God. (Take our laws that allow abortion for example.) What's the difference between drinking wine at sacrament and a beer with friends at dinner? To call it a sin seems slightly fickle to me, because a short skip across the border into either Canada or Mexico suddenly makes it legal for me. Does 500 miles make it a sin?

I wrestle with these thoughts often, because I admit that I do enjoy a nice beer here and there, and I am only 20 years old. I know it is wrong when I drink enough beer to get drunk (and yes I have done it and occasionally still do while at college- a part of my faith that I constantly wrestle with), but I am not convinced that it is wrong of me to merely consume one or two beers at dinner every now and again.

These are some thoughts that I just had to get off my chest before I go to bed.........

alleganydeerslayer · 09-27-2006, 01:25 AM

I don't think a beer is wrong or sin. But think about all of the temptation that comes with one beer. If it tastes good and you have a few friends present that are downing them, then you want more. we have all said...i'll just have one. I think you have to stay away completely. Don't get me wrong I have one or two once in a while and one or two times a year I'll drink enough to get buzzed with co-workers. Every time I feel guilty and ashamed. It is definitely a very tough issue. I'll pray for you if you pray for me!

Chuck7 · 09-27-2006, 03:22 AM

Romans 14:All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.
21It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.
22Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.
23And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

FroMan · 09-27-2006, 07:45 PM

The way I look at it...and I'm not a drinker...

You CANNOT get drunk by never drinking at all.

Why tempt your weak flesh?

Why/what is the underlying motive for you wanting to drink at all? No one does it for the "taste." It's an acquired taste...and it destroys lives.

Being sober doesn't.

DaveH · 09-28-2006, 04:57 AM

I'm with froman on this.

Chuck7 · 09-28-2006, 05:08 AM

I have to agree with God's Word..

Bishops are to have zero wine...1 Tim.3

Deacons can have a little...1 Tim 3

Let love govern all offensive issues.Rom.14

Jesus said" It's not what goes in the mouth that defiles the man but what comes out of the mouth.

Drunkeness is a sin.

Moderation iskey

Drinking wine is not a sin or Jesus would not have made 35 gallons of it as his 1st miracle. Go ahead and study the greek..there is not a separate greek word. It was not grape juice.

The anti depressants many are on is much more potent than a glass of wine which is helpful to the eyes and circulation.

c7

Knightia · 09-28-2006, 05:28 AM

C7 ppl take medications because there ill or to correct something etc. Same with anti depressents.

Potent how? a cup of coffee is potent for some?

Mainly ppl drink for the effects including to get drunk& half drunk& 1/4 & buzzed.
Any heath benifets that can be had with a glass of wine can be had eating the grapes( you will get even much more benifets from eating the grapes(and barly) even nurtritally)& exersize, a cup of tea etc

Moderation is always a good thing& how many ppl drinkingaddictive substances have moderation?

This country(and many others) has a big problem with drinking & violence etc caused ppl ppl who are drinking.

Quote:

It's an acquired taste...and it destroys lives.
Being sober doesn't.

I agree.

Chuck7 · 09-28-2006, 05:43 AM

C7 ppl take medications because there ill or to correct something etc. Same with anti depressents. True..God's Word says" He made wine to make the heart's of men glad. On here we are adomonished often to use scripture instead of opinion.I see to often this subject only reinforced by opinion. Drunenness is a sin but drinking a glass of wine or beer is not. We are warned yes....it can destroy lives but so can gluttony, television etc.

Potent how? a cup of coffee is potent for some? Amen..a glass of wine is better fo rme than a cup of coffee. Caffine is very bad for me.

Mainly ppl drink for the effects including to get drunk& half drunk& 1/4 & buzzed. Like God said..to make the hearts of men happy ..like Jesus first miracle. To let the folks at that wedding be merry.
Any heath benifets that can be had with a glass of wine can be had eating the grapes( you will get even much more benifets from eating the grapes(and barly) even nurtritally)& exersize, a cup of tea etc If you are convicted yes AMEN my dad is convicted and buys the crushed grape seeds at heath food stores. My wife is not convicted and buys the wine.

Moderation is always a good thing& how many ppl drinkingaddictive substances have moderation? I can only speak of myself . I hate getting drunk .My wife does not get drunk either. Drunkeness is sin..as is over eatting., gossip, watching fleshly stuff on TV

This country(and many others) has a big problem with drinking & violence etc caused ppl ppl who are drinking. AMEN...

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It's an acquired taste...and it destroys lives.
Being sober doesn't.

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I agree.
Guns kill too...should we confiscate them all ..or only deal with htose who abuse there right.

Chuck7 · 09-28-2006, 05:50 AM

Mr. Fish,
I could be tempted and join the popular opinion of the others but I would rather walk in truth before God. There is nothing worse than a hypocrite laying burdens on someone else when he is doing the same thing. The Pharisees were guilty of such things...adding more to God;s Word and laws than what was intended to look super spiriitual.I don't play that game.

I do however have plenty of other convictions such as what I eat, caffine consumption, lust , covetiousness/ materialism, not forgiving others quickly , music I listen to and play, listening to gossip, gossiping my self, reading enough Bible daily and praying.These are the ones I personally feel most convicted of. I do respect the convictions of others though and would never leave a bottle of wine out or drink in front of a brother.
C7