Maybe I'm just misunderstanding it but reading further into the book of Ezekiel (33) it seems to me to be clear that salvation can be lost.
12 "Therefore, son of man, say to your countrymen, 'The righteousness of the righteous man will not save him when he disobeys, and the wickedness of the wicked man will not cause him to fall when he turns from it. The righteous man, if he sins, will not be allowed to live because of his former righteousness.' 13 If I tell the righteous man that he will surely live, but then he trusts in his righteousness and does evil, none of the righteous things he has done will be remembered; he will die for the evil he has done. 14 And if I say to the wicked man, 'You will surely die,' but he then turns away from his sin and does what is just and right- 15 if he gives back what he took in pledge for a loan, returns what he has stolen, follows the decrees that give life, and does no evil, he will surely live; he will not die. 16 None of the sins he has committed will be remembered against him. He has done what is just and right; he will surely live.
17 "Yet your countrymen say, 'The way of the Lord is not just.' But it is their way that is not just. 18 If a righteous man turns from his righteousness and does evil, he will die for it. 19 And if a wicked man turns away from his wickedness and does what is just and right, he will live by doing so. 20 Yet, O house of Israel, you say, 'The way of the Lord is not just.' But I will judge each of you according to his own ways."
Sorry about rehashing touchy topics but I'm still new to this and have many questions.
Maybe I'm just misunderstanding it but reading further into the book of Ezekiel (33) it seems to me to be clear that salvation can be lost.
your so right. that statement once saved always saved is a farce
Pike; This only serves to show that there are still questions that need to be answered and clairfied. There are several referances along these lines on the obedience thread.
1 Cor 15:1-2 is a passage that few seem to want to acknowledge. It reads: Moreover, brethern, (note these are brethern) I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received(past tense, have received), and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, (present tense) if ( if shows that being saved is contingient upon something) ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. Note the phrase, believed in vain. If one is saved when they believe, and that believing is now in vain, can we honestly say that he is still saved? If he is still saved, how can it be in vain?
Pike; This only serves to show that there are still questions that need to be answered and clairfied. There are several referances along these lines on the obedience thread.
1 Cor 15:1-2 is a passage that few seem to want to acknowledge. It reads: Moreover, brethern, (note these are brethern) I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received(past tense, have received), and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, (present tense) if ( if shows that being saved is contingient upon something) ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. Note the phrase, believed in vain. If one is saved when they believe, and that believing is now in vain, can we honestly say that he is still saved? If he is still saved, how can it be in vain?
Snooky, If a person can fall from grace please walk me thru an example. For instance begin with listing all the sins that are not forgiven or covered by the blood of Christ.
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1.Hebrews 3:12Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
13But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
So you believe that there are sins that are unforgiven Chuck? I was under the impression only blasphemy of the Holy Spirit was unforgiven Dabowhunter
Your question wasn't about which sins could not be forgiven.Your question was about one losingones salvation. I answered your question.
God is not looking for a reason to keep us out of Heaven.If we miss Heaven it's because we did not love Him{ Jesus}more than this world.
1 John 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
Snooky, If a person can fall from grace please walk me thru an example. For instance begin with listing all the sins that are not forgiven or covered by the blood of Christ.
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I don't think anyone is limiting the blood of Christ at all. Isn't repentence still a big part of forgiveness even after one is saved? If a person goes on sinning without repenting believing that they are always saved would their sins still be forgiven?
Yall know how much I love these threads...I'd like to address the issue right now but I have class...all day...and then I'm going out of state to hear a buddy preach tonight.
So yall just kick back and wait on my seasoned, well thought-out, response to the question at hand.
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Pike; This only serves to show that there are still questions that need to be answered and clairfied. There are several referances along these lines on the obedience thread.
1 Cor 15:1-2 is a passage that few seem to want to acknowledge. It reads: Moreover, brethern, (note these are brethern) I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received(past tense, have received), and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, (present tense) if ( if shows that being saved is contingient upon something) ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. Note the phrase, believed in vain. If one is saved when they believe, and that believing is now in vain, can we honestly say that he is still saved? If he is still saved, how can it be in vain?
Snooky
I'm trying to get a better understanding of the bible in terms I understand easier so I usually read the NIV version. I know it isn't as widely accepted on here as the KJV but so far it has made it easier for me. Here are the same verses from the NIV.
1Now, brothers, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. 2By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.
I put the text into bold that sticks out to me. I don't completely understand all that these verses mean but to me it is saying that something is required after initially accepting the gospel. Maybe this is a bad translation but it looks like someone's initial faith is in vain if they don't hold firm to the word.
Another losing salvation thread (sorry)
