The Forth Man In The Fire

Leafrivermac · 09-10-2006, 05:33 PM

One supposed theophany is the forth man who appeared in the fire when Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego were cast into the furnace (Daniel 3:24-25). The heathen King Nebuchadnezzar said "œLo I see four men loose . . .and the form of the forth is like the Son of God" (Daniel 3:25). However , in the original language (Aramaic) there is no definite article before "œSon". . . . .that is there is no "œthe" before Son in this passage. The NIV and TAB renders this phrase as "œa son of the gods". The king was using heathen terminology and had no knowledge of the future arrival of the only begotten Son of God. Most likely, the king saw an angel, for he described this manifestation as an "œangel" (Daniel 3:28). It appears that the phrase "œsons of God" can refer to angelic beings (Job 38:7). At the most, what Nebuchadnezzer saw could only be a temporary theophany of God. Certainly this was not a view of the Son of God described in the NT, for the Son had not been born and the Sonship had not begun

Chuck7 · 09-10-2006, 06:17 PM

Very interesting Mac.

cataway · 09-10-2006, 07:14 PM

leaf i get the feeling that you dont know that the one we now know
as Jesus ,had a heavenly existence before he was born as a man.

Leafrivermac · 09-10-2006, 07:23 PM

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leaf i get the feeling that you dont know that the one we now know
as Jesus ,had a heavenly existence before he was born as a man.

You would be mistaken there my friend, . . .the Jesus I know has existed thruout eternity.

cataway · 09-10-2006, 07:32 PM

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ORIGINAL: Leafrivermac

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leaf i get the feeling that you dont know that the one we now know
as Jesus ,had a heavenly existence before he was born as a man.

You would be mistaken there my friend, . . .the Jesus I know has existed thruout eternity.

but he did have a beginning ,he being the first of gods creative works

Leafrivermac · 09-10-2006, 08:03 PM

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but he did have a beginning ,he being the first of gods creative works

Nope . . .Thats not the Jesus I know. My Jesus is God . .and who as God had no beggining, nor will He have an end.Now Jesus as Christ had a beggining when the Holy Spirit overshadowed Mary. From this point on Cat, I'll discuss with you using Scripture only . . .post a Scripture that I can work with using my KJV, making your point and I'll post a reply.
God Bless

The Rev · 09-10-2006, 08:07 PM

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ORIGINAL: Leafrivermac

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leaf i get the feeling that you dont know that the one we now know
as Jesus ,had a heavenly existence before he was born as a man.

You would be mistaken there my friend, . . .the Jesus I know has existed thruout eternity.

Amen!!! The Alpha and Omega!

motor · 09-10-2006, 08:34 PM

Amen Bro Mac, He always was and always will be..

mr-pirk · 09-10-2006, 10:25 PM

Leaf River Mac, I have always believed (and still do)the fourth person is Jesus.

I suppose there could be made an argument for the fourth person being an Arch Angel though.

Thanks
mr-pirk

Chuck7 · 09-11-2006, 12:09 AM

I believe Jesus was in that fiery furnace. When someone sees Jesus there is no mistake in who He is. Neb..saw the the Lord.

Isaiah 43: 2 When thou passest through the waters, I will be with thee; and through the rivers, they shall not overflow thee: when thou walkest through the fire, thou shalt not be burned; neither shall the flame kindle upon thee.
3 For I am the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: