Jesus is the SON of God

[cataway]

Jesus told his apostles: "The Father is greater

than I am." (John 14:28) Some people say that was true only because Jesus was still

on earth and that it is no longer true now that he has ascended to heaven. But that is

not what the Bible says.

After Jesus ascended to heaven, his followers continued to teach that the Father is

greater than the Son. More than 20years later, Paul wrote about "the God and Father

of our Lord Jesus Christ." (Romans 15:6) Look carefully at those words. Paul is

speaking of Jesus"™ God. Consistently Paul makes this distinction not only between

the Father and Jesus but between God and Jesus. He writes of God and Christ. Paul"™s

standard greeting in his letters was: "May you have undeserved kindness and peace

from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ." (Romans 1:7; 1Corinthians 1:3

; 2Corinthians 1:2; Galatians 1:3; Ephesians 1:2; Philippians 1:2) Paul also wrote, not

that Christ is God, but that he "is the image of God," thus perfectly representing him

. (2Corinthians 4:4) However, the translator of The Living Bible, believing that God is a

Trinity, changed this passage to read, "Christ, who is God." But since that is not what

it really says, this footnote was added: "Literally, "˜who is the image of God."™"

The Bible book of Revelation also distinguishes not only between Jesus and the

Father but between Jesus and God. It opens, "A revelation by Jesus Christ, which

God gave him." (Revelation 1:1) More than 60years after Jesus"™ ascension,

Revelation quotes the exalted heavenly Jesus as saying: "The one that conquers"”I

will make him a pillar in the temple of my God ... I will write upon him the name of my

God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem which descends out of

heaven from my God, and that new name of mine.""”Revelation 3:12.

This distinction between God and the Lamb Jesus Christ is made right down to the

Bible"™s last chapter, where the great heavenly throne of the magnificent New

Jerusalem is not described as the throne of an imaginary Trinity, but as "the throne of

God and of the Lamb." (Revelation 22:1, 3) These statements are not difficult to

understand, unless you have been taught to try to make them say something they do not say.

Jesus"™ enemies, seeking a reason to put him to death, did not ask if he claimed to be

God, but whether he was "the Christ the Son of God." He answered: "You yourself

said it. Yet I say to you men, From henceforth you will see the Son of man sitting at

the right hand of power and coming on the clouds of heaven." (Matthew 26:63, 64)

Earlier Jesus had quoted and applied to himself David"™s words: "The utterance of

Jehovah to my Lord is: "˜Sit at my right hand until I place your enemies as a stool for

your feet."™" Jesus did not say he was Jehovah, or part of some unscriptural Trinity, but

that he would be at Jehovah"™s right hand, awaiting the outworking of God"™s time and

purposes."”Psalm 110:1; Matthew 22:42-44.

Stephen, the first person to die for his faith in Christ, was given a vision of the

resurrected Jesus in heaven. Did he see Jesus as being God, or part of some Trinity?

No. As Jesus and David had foretold, he saw Jesus "at God"™s right hand." The Living

Bible says that Stephen saw "Jesus the Messiah standing beside God, at his right hand!""”Acts 7:55, 56.

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[Alex The Hawk]

8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
12[color=#ff0000][size=4]13 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
Nough said

[Rebel Hog]

I always believed in One, but then we have verses in the Bible which confuse also!

Luke 3: 21-22
[21] Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened,
[22] And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.

[Alex The Hawk]

ORIGINAL: Rebel Hog

I always believed in One, but then we have verses in the Bible which confuse also!

Luke 3: 21-22
[21] Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened,
[22] And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.

Why does it confuses you ?
Isn't God omnipresent ?
Jesus Was Fully Man and God, limited only by his own will, to be made a little lower than the angels, it is called "God's Humilliation"

[Rebel Hog]

ORIGINAL: Alex The Hawk

Why does it confuses you ?
Isn't God omnipresent ?
Jesus Was Fully Man and God, limited only by his own will, to be made a little lower than the angels, it is called "God's Humilliation"

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[Rebel Hog]

Luke 3: 21-22
[21] Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened,
[22] And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.


Yes brother, then we go to this verse,

Eph.4:5-6
[5] One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
[6] One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

This could be very confusing to a new comerof Christ.One verse is interpreted as Trinity and the other as Oneness. If theyhave been taught to believe the Trinity, how can you convince them to believe in Oneness.
The Bible has many verses about the Father and Son as it does "if you know the Father you know me, as the Father and I are one".

[cataway]

"if you know the Father you know me, as the Father and I are one".
yet it speaks as there are two, two in agreement having the same goal.
even as you and a trusted friend can have the same gaol or even as a teem work together to accomplish the task of winning a game.
i rec anise that Jesus is the son of god. this means he has a father.a father that he Jesus calls god, to houm he gives all credence .
Jesus never once said that he was even on par with the one who he knew
was god.

"Then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone.""”1Corinthians 15:28.


24Next, the end, when he hands over the kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power. 25For he must rule as king until [God] has put all enemies under his feet.

so if Jesus is god ,as you insest,why does he Jesus ,hand over the kingdom back to the father?

[Rebel Hog]

ORIGINAL: cataway

so if Jesus is god ,as you insest,why does he Jesus ,hand over the kingdom back to the father?

Cat, I am not insisting anything! I was pointing out verses to Alex that come from the same bible and one says He's the Son of God and the other saysOne Lord, One Faith, One Baptism, One God and Fatherof all.

[Leafrivermac]

This is the way that this Oneness believer understands the baptism of Christ question:
Jesus is God, and was God manifested in flesh while here on earth. He could not and did not sacrifice His omnipresence while on earth because that is one of His basic attributes, and God does not change. Of course the physical body of Jesus was not omnipresent, but His Spirit was. Although the fullness of Gods charactor was resident in the body of the Christ, the omnipresent Spirit of Jesus could not be so confined. Therefore Jesus could be on earth and in heaven at the same time (John 3:13), and with two or three of His diciples at any time (Mathew 18:20).
With the omnipresence of God in mind I can understand the baptismal scene very easily. It was not at all difficult for the Spirit of Jesus to speak from heaven and to send a manifestation of His Spirit in the form of a dove even while His body was in the Jordan river.
One of the reasons I believe it happened this way is to subsequently make Himself known to Israel (John 1:26-27, 31). This was the starting point of His ministry. Searching the Scriptures , I believe will show that the dove was for the benefit of John the baptist in recognizing the Christ.(John 1:32-34) The voice was for the benefit of the folk there. John (12: 28-30), shows a similar incident where a voice came from heaven and confirmed the deity of Jesus to the folks.
Anyway, this is my take on it . . . .not trying to push it on anybody, but I'm tired of walking on eggshells about it at the same time. To each his own understanding. I definatly don't want to debate it here, but I will discuss it if I'm confronted with a Scripture . . . Chapter and verse indicated.


Edited for spelling and bolding Scripture for your convenience.