I need your interpretation of this verse.

[mr-pirk]

I know what it means for me, although I haven"™t seen a discussion concerning what everyone else"™s understanding of the verse is.

Matthew 16:19(New International Version)

19I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."

Thanks
mr-pirk

[Snooky]

Mr Pirk; Looks like they are just a little gun shy.

[m.t.hands]

with all the other post going awry, is it any wonder people are reluctant or too "gunshy" to post, i know that i am in read only mode at present because just like mentioned on another post

Chuck, Sorry for the confusion (and there is lots of it here as usual).

When I said "in your post" I was refering to this line from your first post in this thread.

"Satan is deceiving many today by leading them to suppose that they are savingly trusting in "œthe finished work"� of Christ while their hearts remain unchanged and self still rules their lives. "

I was saying that I agree with you in that view and it reminds me of some of the "strategy" used by the dark side as outlined in "The Screwtape Letters"

I often post with a comment about the original post in a thread and not the last one made. I should be more clear to avoid such confusion.
Have a good one!

Robin down under

i can take a suggestion to read the (a particular)scripture, instead of telling me where i'm wrong point me in a direction that will lead me to the correct understanding of the word, btw i enjoy all the post here, but can you explain why you would say

I know what it means for me

so are you questioning (and i'm just asking) what you believe, i mean why else would you concern yourself with what others thought, perhaps i am mis-understanding what you are looking for but, it almost appears to be "pickin a fight" i mean there are a lot of things that i "understand" that it is of no consequence what anybodyelse thinks or believes (because i know me and the Lord) you may call it faith or belief, but i have an understanding of what i read and here, i cannot help myself i question everything....

but for what it is worth, to me it means that whatever is important to one here will be what he/she (the soul)takes to heaven with the soul, lets hope and pray it is what God intended

BTW, mr.pirk this is only for my benefit to gain a better understanding of "the word" i hope and pray you will not take this as an attack, but only looking for answers as i have always enjoyed you post, and considered you as one of the more "studied" people here

keith

[Goose 11]

I believe He is telling them that what they are going to bind was already bound in heaven, by God. That they will work and teach and do everything they are going to do by the power of and according to the will of God the Father.
Trae

[Leafrivermac]

19I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."

I sometimes wonder if there is any significance to the plural "Keys" . . .oh well, another subject perhaps.

Mark, In verses 13-15 Jesus asked His disciples concerning other's opinions as it pertained to His identity. After a few replies Jesus asked the disciples who they thought He was. Simon Peter answered saying, "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God". Jesus responded to Peter's confession by promising him the keys of the kingdom of heaven. Jesus continued to say, "And whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven". The authority to bind and loose seems to me to be joined with the possession of the keys of the kingdom of heaven. Those keys belonged to the kingdom and allowed entrance into it just as keys belong to a door and allow one to unlock it, thereby allowing entrance into the particular location. Peter received the keys by believing and confessing Jesus to be the Messiah, the Son of God. We know that the confession of Jesus as the Messiah is the key to entrance into the kingdom.
Maybe what your getting at is to ask was this power given solely to Peter or to the "church" in general. Well . . .the keys were given to Peter based on his confession of Jesus to be the Christ. With the keys Peter possessed the power to bind or loose . . . .it would seem likely then that all those that profess Jesus to be the Son of God would be given that same power since it was predicated on confessing Jesus to be the Christ.
Which brings us inevitably to ask "exactly what is it that we are binding and loosing?". This is where I am partly stymied in saying it is all together this or that but I believe that it is in part power given to the church to make decisions over its body. I have heard and hold many other beliefs concerning this passage but giving power to the church to make decisions is as far as I feel comfortable without more thought to reply. But now . .the authority of the church is not to decide what to do and then have God back up their decision. The authority of the church is to carry out the will and decisions of God upon earth as they have been established in heaven. This is in perfect accord with the way Jesus instructed us to pray: "Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven"

[m.t.hands]

Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven"

thats what i was trying to say the whole time mac

[cataway]

Like "the key of David," the "keys of the kingdom of the heavens" were not literal, material keys of an earthly kind. They were spiritual keys, namely, the privilege, honor, assignment and authority to initiate or open up a program of information, instruction and personal intervention with respect to the kingdom of the heavens. By means of this, those persons who chose to seek first the kingdom of the heavens could take advantage of the provision that God then made available through Jesus Christ, the Heir of the heavenly kingdom. Thus they entered into something not open to them before.

[Rebel Hog]

ORIGINAL: Leafrivermac

"Thy will be doneon earth, as it is in heaven"

Amen brother!

[mr-pirk]

Snooky, I believe you may be right, I should have added some context. (my fault)

M.T. Hands, I want to assure you, I am not trying to start a fight. It just seemed to me that out of all the verses we have discussed, we had not got around to this subject.

Leaf River Mac, you are on the same track as me, mostly.

Goose, where I am headed is toward with this thread is the discussion, between Paul and the other Apostles concerning the need for circumcision and such.

The scripture I posted is repeated twice.

The first time is the scripture I posted that Leaf River Mac expanded on.

Peter has finally understood the role of Jesus.
16Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."
(Notice that Peter say"™s "œThe Christ"�).

Jesus then tells Peter, why the understanding of the role of "œThe Christ"� is important.
18And I tell you that you are Peter,[ Peter means rock.] and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.

Jesus is telling Peter that the role that Peter is to fulfill, "œTo be the Rock"� that anchors the Church and the spreading of the tenets that Jesus taught.

Peter is then told by Jesus that Peter will be given authority to bind (make rules against acts and actions.) and to also loosen (to make rules in favor of acts and actions), not only things on Earth. But that our following those rules, while on Earth, will also be used as a yard stick used to measure us Christians in Heaven.
19I will give you [Peter] the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."

Now thepoint may be raised that: The other Apostles were there and therefore that last scripture equally applied to all of them.
20Then he warned his disciples not to tell anyone that he was the Christ.

I would agree with that assessment with one exception: I believe that all the apostles possessed equal authority for dealing with decisions"™ concerning making rules for Christians. I do how ever see Peter as being given the position of Leader of the Apostles.

When we look at the second time the words are spoken by Jesus:

Matthew 18:15-20(New International Version)
A Brother Who Sins Against You

15"If your brother sins against you, go and show him his fault, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over. 16But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that 'every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.' 17If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector. (This scripture is telling Christians how we are to deal with disputes amongst ourselves) (The Apostles are to set the example)

18"I tell you the truth, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven. (Jesus is again telling the Apostles that they have been given the authority to make rules and decisions concerning how we conduct ourselves here on Earth and that those rules and decisions will be respected in Heaven.)

19"Again, I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything you ask for, it will be done for you by my Father in heaven. 20For where two or three come together in my name, there am I with them."
(This scripture has a double meaning, where we Christians come to meet together, Jesus is with us. This is the major meaning. The second meaning is the minor meaning. When ever there is agreement among the Apostles, Jesus is there giving his authority to their decision.)

There is one other scripture I am looking for but my mind has gone faulty and I am having trouble locating it. The scripture basically say"™s that the role of the Apostle is to deal with man kind because men are better at dealing with men that the Children of the Light are. (I am sure that I have butchered the verse and its meaning. When I locate the scripture I will post it and we can discuss it.)

I will leave this at this point for a while (so that I can locate the one remaining scripture) before moving on to the dispute between Paul and the other Apostles and how their decision affects us Christians today.

M.T. Hands, if you see any one of us getting confrontational, (especially me), then whack us.

I want this thread to be a discussion, not a debate. I am more than open to opposing understandings of those verses.

Thanks
mr-pirk

[mr-pirk]

Rebel Hog, ditto to the Amen. I am however, focusing on a slightly different discussion though.

Thanks
mr-pirk

P.S. Rebel Hog I don't know if I have taken time latelyto thank you for taking the time to post all the "Scripture for the day" or not, so I wanted to take this time to say THANKS.