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Old 08-26-2006, 02:22 AM   #1
 
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Default Do animals have a soul?

When you shoot those bastards, they go to heaven?[>:]
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Old 08-26-2006, 04:21 AM   #2
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SOUL

The original-language terms (Heb., ne´phesh [
×*פ?]; Gr., psy·khe´ [ψυχή]) as used in the Scriptures show "soul" to be a person, an animal, or the life that a person or an animal enjoys.

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And God went on to say: "Let the waters swarm forth a swarm of living souls and let flying creatures fly over the earth upon the face of the expanse of the heavens." 21And God proceeded to create the great sea monsters and every living soul that moves about, which the waters swarmed forth according to their kinds, and every winged flying creature according to its kind. And God got to see that [it was] good. 22With that God blessed them, saying: "Be fruitful and become many and fill the waters in the sea basins, and let the flying creatures become many in the earth."

and they have a spirit to,but to answer your gruff question no they dont go to heaven
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What they dont go to heaven if they have a soul? They go to hell instead?
So if we kill an human its the same as killing an animal?

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Old 08-26-2006, 07:09 AM   #4
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What they dont go to heaven if they have a soul? no salvation for the critters


They go to hell instead? the ones the ones that i have killed for the most part go in my freezer. thoe the freezer is colder than hell


So if we kill an human its the same as killing an animal? except for the legal ramifications yes
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Soul According to the Bible
3 The Hebrew word translated "soul" is ne´phesh, and it occurs 754 times in the Hebrew Scriptures. What does ne´phesh mean? According to The Dictionary of Bible and Religion, it "usually refers to the entire living being, to the whole individual." This is borne out by the Bible"™s description of the soul at Genesis 2:7: "Jehovah God proceeded to form the man out of dust from the ground and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man came to be a living soul." Note that the first man "came to be" a soul. That is to say, Adam did not have a soul; he was a soul"”just as someone who becomes a doctor is a doctor. The word "soul," then, here describes the whole person.
4 The word translated "soul" (psy·khe´) appears more than a hundred times in the Christian Greek Scriptures. Like ne´phesh this word often refers to the whole person. For example, consider the following statements: "My soul is troubled." (John 12:27) "Fear began to fall upon every soul." (Acts 2:43) "Let every soul be in subjection to the superior authorities." (Romans 13:1) "Speak consolingly to the depressed souls." (1Thessalonians 5:14) "A few people, that is, eight souls, were carried safely through the water." (1Peter 3:20) Clearly, psy·khe´, like ne´phesh, refers to the whole person. According to scholar Nigel Turner, this word "signifies what is characteristically human, the self, the material body having God"™s rûah [spirit] breathed into it. ... The emphasis is on the whole self."
5 Interestingly, in the Bible the word "soul" applies not only to humans but also to animals. For example, in describing the creation of sea creatures, Genesis 1:20 says that God commanded: "Let the waters swarm forth a swarm of living souls." And on the next creative day, God said: "Let the earth put forth living souls according to their kinds, domestic animal and moving animal and wild beast of the earth according to its kind.""”Genesis 1:24; compare Numbers31:28.
6 Thus, the word "soul" as used in the Bible refers to a person or an animal or to the life that a person or an animal enjoys.


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So you are putting animal souls in your freezer? You actually think the soul will freeze there forever?
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Old 08-26-2006, 07:59 AM   #6
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When you shoot those bastards, they go to heaven?[>:]
I just have these questions for you..

1. Do you think you have a soul.

2. And where is it going when you die.

3. And why is it going there?

These are not loaded questions, just want to know what you think.
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1. Do you think you have a soul.

Yes i think i have a soul. I think every single element on the planet has one. Even trees. We just cant see them, some crazy folks actually can. Why im sure. Because world is made of balanced elements. There is + for -, if we never where sad how would be know if we are happy, how to know whats cold, if you never tasted hot, god, bad, happy, sad, love, hate, you get my point? There has to be the other element for the other to exist. So that leaves us with the element material, the thing you can touch and feel, the world we know. So if nature and live tells us theres is material there must be the unmaterial, material would not exist if unmaterial doesnt. I just call it that way, called it what you want, but its the world we cant measure with a machine or touch or see. How could you prove that the unmaterial exists with a material machine?. Its the invisible world. So yes we have a soul, how would we go to the this unmaterial dimension with our fisical body?, we cant, so we must have the option to convert ourself or adapt into that unmaterial. Some people can do it even without to die.

2. And where is it going when you die.
This one is complicated. The truth is I dont know. People are afraid of what they dont know. Like a boy with darkness, hes is afraid because he doesnt know whats inside the darkness. Ignorance.
Well there could happend 2 things. I cannot adapt myself into that new enviroment in wich im desintegrated and will return somehow to live. Maybe on a plant or animal, dont know, but i think we come as humans. At least if we are to afraid and can not adapt ourself to this new unmaterial enviroment. If you can, then you can be there as long as you want, some never come back to this material life.

3. And why is it going there?
Why, because we live, and we have to die. To die is just to meet another new form of live, some people could consider this form of live as being death and that we truly live when we die. Thats why, people like romans, or barbarians or any kind of 1.000 year old people, loved death. I think we are more and more material so we are more afraid of losing all this because its what we know, we dont know anything else. People from older times where more spiritual, more earth connected because they did not had all this nice things we see today on magazines or tv.
Regarding your question. Did you ever go to sleep but you are awake? You cant move yourself. Just try to stay 15 minutes without moving, its like you lose control of body, but you still feel your hand, you actually can move your fingers inside your hand, but your hand is not moving, what is then?

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Very interesting answer.. I don't agree with it, however I just wanted to know what you believed.. Thanks for being honest.
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What do you believe then? I respect all views, but you cant really thing that God is an old man with a white long bear on sitting on the clouds. What you really believe you will see or go when you die.
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