Oftentimes, Jews who come to believe in Jesus are told by their unbelieving families, "If you'd only known more about Judaism, if you'd only studied your own religion, you never would have come to believe this way."
My parents never said that to me because, before I accepted Christ, I went to see an Orthodox rabbi on my own initiative.
You see, I had met some Jews for Jesus who had given me some very convincing arguments from the Scriptures apparently pointing to Jesus as the Messiah. However, I was afraid to just "jump in." "How can I be sure?" I thought. My impetuousness had gotten me into trouble in the past. Once I had gotten involved in the occult. Another time, I had come very close to marrying a Gentile girl I knew I shouldn't marry. The only sound thing to do, I thought, would be to see a rabbi and ask him what he thought of these Scriptures. After all, I figured he should know.
Rabbi Bogner and I sat and discussed the many passages the Jews for Jesus had pointed out. We began with the 53rd chapter of Isaiah. The Jews for Jesus said it talked about the Messiah. The rabbi said it referred to Israel. Then we studied Jeremiah 31:31-34 which talks of a "new covenant" that God would make with His people. The rabbi just scoffed at this one.
Finally, I brought to his attention Daniel 9, which, according to the Jews for Jesus, told the time of the Messiah's coming.
At that, Rabbi Bogner told me he was prohibited by Talmudic Law from studying that chapter. When I asked why, he said, "Cursed be the man who calculates the time of the coming of the Messiah." He knew that Daniel 9 did indeed contain God's message to us as to when the Messiah would come. But he explained that the Talmud prohibited studying it because of the possible unbelief that could arise from some making incorrect calculations and being disappointed. But this didn't make any sense to me. Why would God give us a Book and then tell us not to read part of it? I didn't think God played "cosmic games" on us.
I left the rabbi's study a little perplexed. And with more courage than I thought I had in me, I plunged into my own study of Daniel 9. Now I knew I was not a Bible scholar, but I was no dummy either! As a college instructor I felt I had a good grasp of concepts and could follow a carefully reasoned argument to its conclusion. And having been trained as an accountant, I knew I could make whatever mathematical calculations were necessary.
Well, Daniel 9 referred to "an anointed one" being "cut off" after a certain number of weeks. The Hebrew word for "anointed" is "mashiach," which, in Greek, is "christos" or "Christ." Also, in the Bible, to be "cut off" meant to die. I then needed to calculate the number of weeks starting with the rebuilding of Jerusalem as stated in the Scripture verse, "So you are to know and discern that from the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince there will be seven weeks and 62 weeks." (Daniel 9:25) The only decree to go out was by Artaxerxes in 444 B.C.E. Biblically speaking, a week equals seven years and a sabbatical year, approximately 360 days. My computations were fairly simple, but the answer I got was difficult to accept.
This anointed one was to die in 32 C.E., the year Christ was crucified. I could not call this a coincidence. It would be like saying two plus two equals five.
I thought about Rabbi Bogner. It did help me to talk with him. For despite the Talmudic prohibition on studying that Scripture passage for fear of resulting unbelief, its study made me into a believer, a believer in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
oh ya right on time.he came exactly as scripture said he would.and good for you for figuring this out .but what about the rest of the prophecy when he would come again?
oh ya right on time.he came exactly as scripture said he would.and good for you for figuring this out .but what about the rest of the prophecy when he would come again?
Whats wrong Cat, Watchtower run out of predictions?
oh ya right on time.he came exactly as scripture said he would.and good for you for figuring this out .but what about the rest of the prophecy when he would come again?
Whats wrong Cat, Watchtower run out of predictions?
oh ya right on time.he came exactly as scripture said he would.and good for you for figuring this out .but what about the rest of the prophecy when he would come again?
Whats wrong Cat, Watchtower run out of predictions?
oh my mistake the horse was going north
I bet when you sit on a mare cataway,the people can't tell for sure what it is...They never seena horses male member on top of the horse...
oh ya right on time.he came exactly as scripture said he would.and good for you for figuring this out .but what about the rest of the prophecy when he would come again?
Whats wrong Cat, Watchtower run out of predictions?
oh my mistake the horse was going north
I bet when you sit on a mare cataway,the people can't tell for sure what it is...They never seena horses male member on top of the horse...
now thats a NAAR if i ever seen one .your mom know you think a talk that way?
Finally, I brought to his attention Daniel 9, which, according to the Jews for Jesus, told the time of the Messiah's coming.
At that, Rabbi Bogner told me he was prohibited by Talmudic Law from studying that chapter. When I asked why, he said, "Cursed be the man who calculates the time of the coming of the Messiah." /quote]
Matt.24:36
[36] But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
__________________
Jesus said, "he who stands firm to the end will be saved" Mark 13:13.
Live Life in such a way that those who do not know Christ will come to know Him because they know you
Actually Smokesman ,if Jews really study Judaism they will accept Yeshua as the Messiah more readily.
My Grandfather ,who was a well known Rabbi found Jesus, all by Himself with no new testament.
Why ? because he was well verse in all scriptures including other books in Judaism that speaks of the messiah as such;
Talmud, Babylonian, Succah, folio 52a: Our Rabbis taught: The Holy One, blessed be He, will say to the Messiah, the son of David (may he reveal himself speedily in our days), "Ask of Me anything and I will give to thee", as it is said (Psalm 2:7,8): "I will tell of the decree: The L-rd hath said unto me, 'Thou art my Son; This day have I begotten thee. Ask of me, and I will give the nations for thine inheritance.' "
Zohar, part 3, fol. 307, Amsterdam edition: Thou art the Son, the faithful Shepherd; Of thee it is said, "Kiss the Son," (Psalm 2:12). Thou art the Governor of the Universe, the Head of Israel, the L-rd of ministering angels, the Son of the Highest, the Son of the Holy and Blessed One, yea, the very Shekhinah.
Besides the other verses in the old testament which speaks of the messiah.
The Problem with Judaism today is that it is as the churches are, there are different branches of Judaism, specially what we call Rebbinical Judaism, that is what your post speaks of; the rabbi decrees something and it becomes a rule, the average Jew is raised in this rabbinical rules and not in the true Torah.
This was happening at the time of Jesus also, the priests and the Rabbis had become corrupt, and in the pockets of Rome, so when Jesus Spoke His true interpretations of the Torah, they were insulted and sought to kill Him.
It went against their Rabbis whom they worship, this was Jesus' battle against false commandments and intepretations of God's commandments.
This battle is still waged today by us who seek to bring Jews to their Messiah.
Thanks for posting this Shalom.
__________________
"Blessed is He who Comes in The Name of The Lord"
My Grandfather ,who was a well known Rabbi found Jesus, all by Himself with no new testament.
and all this time Jesus said no one looked for God, and that all had turned away.Thankfully your Grandfather set Jesus straight.
You mind showing that scripture, If that were in the bible, then He would have been speaking to the corrupt pharasees of his days, but since He died and resurrected to give salvation to The Jew First and then The Gentile, then He made it so that those He chose would be saved no matter what.
But since no one looks for God as you say then you are still lost, because that would apply to you also.
Your rhetoric is stomach turning.[&:]
__________________
"Blessed is He who Comes in The Name of The Lord"
When the Messiah Comes"¦
