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Old 08-17-2006, 04:14 PM   #1
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The language of the Bible cannot be more clear:

He died for . . .
the world (John 3:16; 6:33,51)
the whole world (1 John 2:2)
all (1 Timothy 2:6)
us all (Isaiah 53:6)
all men (Romans 5:18)
every man (Hebrews 2:9)
Christ-deniers (2 Peter 2:1).


Does God really mean what He says? Can we take Him at His Word?

"For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men..." (1 Tim. 4:10a).

"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son...

"The Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world" (1 John 4:14; compare John 12:47).

"For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through Him might be saved" (John 3:17; and compare Matt. 18:11; Luke 9:56; 19:10; 1 Tim. 1:15).

"We know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world" (John 4:42).

"That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world" (John 1:9).

"For the bread of God is He which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world" (John 6:33).

"...if any man eat of this bread, he shall live forever: and the bread that I will give is My flesh, which I will give for the life of the world" (John 6:51).

"For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared unto all men..." (Tit. 2:11a).
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Old 08-17-2006, 04:22 PM   #2
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"...if any man eat of this bread, he shall live forever: and the bread that I will give is My flesh, which I will give for the life of the world" (John 6:51).

"For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared unto all men..." (Tit. 2:11a).
Amen brother! I believe them all especially these two!
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Old 08-17-2006, 06:02 PM   #3
 
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For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men..." (1 Tim. 4:10a).


The problem is, you cut the verse short.......Here is the verse in full........

For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe

Now we see a different picture. While God is indeed Saviour of all men, in the same way He is God over all men, the Scripture is not saying that all men are saved, but rather that Salvation is only for the True Believers


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God surely loves the worls, as it is His creation. He also died for His Children {The True Believers} to prove it.
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"The Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world" (1 John 4:14; compare John 12:47).


We must be careful with this scripture, as some would have us believe that the whole world is saved, when Scripture clearly tells us in Christ's own Words that the unbelievers are "condemned already. Reading the Scripture in context ........

Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.
And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.

we see that it is the indwelling of the Holy Ghost that brings into Salvation, and the understanding of Who the Saviour is
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"For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through Him might be saved" (John 3:17; and compare Matt. 18:11; Luke 9:56; 19:10; 1 Tim. 1:15).


Correct, Jesus was sent into the world to save His Children. His Holy Ghost was the agent of that Salvation. The work of the Holy Spirit at this point is not to judge anyone, but rather to save the Chosen people. Judgement will come on the Last Day when Jesus Christ returns, and judges the unsaved , and casts them into the Lake of Fire.

Judgement is yet to come
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Old 08-17-2006, 07:23 PM   #7
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Which of these statements is true? Please answer
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1. Christ died for some of the sins of all men.

2. Christ died for all the sins of some men.

3. Christ died for all the sins of all men.
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3. Christ died for all the sins of all men

"For God so loved the WORLD that whosoever believeth on him should not perish but have everlasting life."
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3. Christ died for all the sins of all men

"For God so loved the WORLD that whosoever believeth on him should not perish but have everlasting life."

Thanks for the reply motor. Number three is the answer I expect most to choose. Okay now lets ask ourselves this.......................................

If Christ died for all the sins of all men, then why are not all men saved?

I will assume you and many others would answer this question by saying .......Because some do not believe.
Well is not unbelief one of the sins for which Christ died? ( remember you answered that Christ died for ALL sins of ALL men. If unbelief is in fact a sin than it is covered by the blood of Jesus and ALL unbelievers are saved.

Romans 14:23...."Whatever is not from faith is sin". (unbelief is sin)

I am fairly certain that no persons on this forum believe that every man and women in the world is or will be saved. So again I ask how can ALL the sins of ALL the world be washed in the blood? The only answer that stands with scripture is that Christ died for all the sins of some men and some women.

John 17:6....."I have manifested thy name to the men whom Thou gavest me out of the world; Thine they were , and Thou gavest them to me".....
vs.9 " I am not praying for the world but for those whom Thou hast given me, for they are thine....vs.19 And for their sake I consecrate myself, that they also may be consecrated in truth."




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If Christ died for all the sins of all men, then why are not all men saved?
For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe

Now we see a different picture. While God is indeed Saviour of all men, in the same way He is God over all men, the Scripture is not saying that all men are saved, but rather that Salvation is only for the True Believers
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