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Old 08-03-2006, 09:36 AM   #1
 
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Default THe Reasons God Chose ISrael

"The Lord did not set His love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people: But because the Lord loved you, and because He would keep the oath which He had sworn unto your fathers..." (Deut. 7:7-8).

And just why did the Lord love Israel like this and do all this? It was not because of anything at all about the Israelites themselves, but "...because He loved thy fathers, therefore He chose their seed after them, and brought thee out in His sight with His mighty power out of Egypt" (Deut. 4:37).


So despite the racist arguments that God will not saved Israel, and the argument the church is Now Israel, contrary to what the bible says over and over.

God chose the Jews as his people Because he loved Abraham and promised to take all of Israel iniquities away, as simple as that.



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Old 08-03-2006, 10:00 AM   #2
 
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"The Lord did not set His love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people: But because the Lord loved you, and because He would keep the oath which He had sworn unto your fathers..." (Deut. 7:7-8).


Exactly. God Chose His Church in eternity past, to be Holy, and Blameless. ....Eph 1:4. Adam and Eve were the first representation of the Church, then it was Noah and Family, then Abraham, and then the House of Israel, and at Pentacost, it was Local Congregations that took over representation of the Holy Church.

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And just why did the Lord love Israel like this and do all this? It was not because of anything at all about the Israelites themselves, but "...because He loved thy fathers, therefore He chose their seed after them, and brought thee out in His sight with His mighty power out of Egypt" (Deut. 4:37).
Yes, but God also loved Adam and Eve, who were not physical Jews, nor was Noah.


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So despite the racist arguments that God will not saved Israel, and the argument the church is Now Israel, contrary to what the bible says over and over.



God willsurely save the True Israel, which is thecollection of Christians, who make up the Holy Church, for they represent the true Holy, and Chosen Nation,the peculiar people God calls the"royal priesthood", as we see in 1Peter 2:9.


However, there is a racist segment among physical Jews that contend that they are a superior people because of their bloodlines, but like the Nazi's of the 1930's the will perish in their foolish desires, and rants.


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God chose the Jews as his people Because he loved Abraham and promised to take all of Israel iniquities away, as simple as that.


God simply loves His Church. Always has. When they were represented by Adam and Eve, He loved them, when they were represented by Noah, He Loved them, when they were represented by the faith of Abraham He loved them, and when they were represented by Jabob {Israel} He loved them, as He loves His Church today.

Scripture tells us that not all who are Israel, are of Israel, meaning that just because someone is Jewish, does not mean they are of the True Israel, which is the Holy Church.
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The verse you quote in 1 peter 2 refers to Israel , not only refers to israel it is found in in deut 14;2 and it follows with God's giving the Torah to moses





Deu 14:2


For thou [art] an holy people unto the LORD thy God, and the LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that [are] upon the earth.

So How is it that if it is the church , you do not keep the commandments given to moses ?

What's more Jesus condems those that do not follow God's commandments and teaches others not to.

The church is not found in the Torah or the Tenach, the church was a hidden mistery until Israel would be blinded in order to save the gentiles also.

You are confusing magnesium and Milk of Magnesia.

THE VAST BULK of organized Christendom today teach that this verse refers to the Church, the mystical Body of Christ, and yet a closer examination of the text will show that this is not the case.
Peter began his epistle with the words "to the strangers scattered throughout Asia. " ( you need to take the word in perspective as to whom Peter was directing his letter to)
The Greek word for stranger means a sojourner or a temporary resident. It is the same word used by Paul in Ephesians 2:19 where it is translated as foreigner. In verse nine which we are considering Peter uses the pronoun 'ye' which is emphatic in the Greek and therefore he is implying that the people he is addressing in his letter are distinct from those amongst whom they live. So a picture is building up not of a multi-racial Christian Church, but of a chosen generation (better translated as race) who were only temporary dwellers in their present location, strangers or foreigners living among people who were not of the same ethnic background.
[align=left]DID SUCH A GROUP OF PEOPLE EXIST? [/align]The answer is a resounding YES, for if we turn to the gospel of John we find that the Lord when disputing with the Jews said:

" Ye shall seek me, and shall not find me, and where l am, thither ye cannot come. Then said the Jews among themselves whither will he go, that we shall not find him? Will he go, unto the dispersed amongst the Greeks and teach the Gentiles?"
(Ethnos - nations or tribes of Gentilized Israel) John7:34-35

Those "dispersed amongst the Greeks " are the same people to whom Peter wrote, they were the Diaspora, the scattered sheep of the House of Israel, who went into Assyrian captivity between 745 and 676 B.C. never to return to Palestine. It was to these people that our Lord sent his disciples saying:

"But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of lsrael"
Matthew 10:6 and those sheep were our Ancestors.
FURTHER EVIDENCE OF IDENTITY
Further on in his epistle Peter addressing these same people says: "Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God; which had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy. "I Peter 2: 10
These words immediately take us back to the warnings given by Hosea the prophet to the House of Israel, prior to their deportation from Old Canaan Land:
"For 1 will no more have mercy upon the house of Israel, but 1 will utterly take them away. "
"... Then said God call his narne Loammi for ye are NOT MY PEOPLE and I will not be, your God.
"Hosea 1:6 & 9
Yet God promised: "Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea which cannot be measured or numbered; and it shall come to pass in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God".Hosea 1: 10


A DIRECT QUOTATION
One final piece of evidence needs to be supplied to demonstrate the identity of the people to whom Peter wrote. The verse under consideration is in fact a direct quotation of the words spoken by God to Moses at the foot of Mount Sinai, concerning not a church but national Israel:
"Ye have seen what 1 did unto the Egyptians and how 1 bare you on eagles wings and brought you unto Myself. Now therefore if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep My covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people for all the earth is Mine: and ye shall be unto me A KINGDOM OF PRIESTS AND AN HOLY NATION'. Exodus 19:4-6

Unless your forefathers were brought out of Egypt and cross the Red sea and wondered for 40 years in the dessert ,that verse does not apply to you or any church

The Church was not formed in the dessert at Sinai, it came to be with the death and resurrecttion of The Jewish Messiah "Yeshua" to where all can access the forgiveness of sin through His Blood, Jews and Gentiles as well.

The Promises to Israel are for Israel and the promises to The Church are for the church, you cannot assume that everything written in the bible is for teh church, that is Just not Biblically proven.Unless you twists verses as you do.
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The verse you quote in 1 peter 2 refers to Israel , not only refers to israel it is found in in deut 14;2 and it follows with God's giving the Torah to moses


Hate to burst your bubble, but Peters Letters were written to the Christian Church, not Jewish People.



But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;
Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.


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So How is it that if it is the church , you do not keep the commandments given to moses ?

What's more Jesus condems those that do not follow God's commandments and teaches others not to.


Silly fellow. Do you not know that we follow the fulfilled Law of Jesus Christ, that is Superior to Everything????


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The church is not found in the Torah or the Tenach, the church was a hidden mistery until Israel would be blinded in order to save the gentiles also.


Of course it was. The Church lived in the Garden of Eden. The Church was saved from the Great Flood. The Church was under the foot of Pharoah. The Church was an adulterous woman brought to Jesus for Judgement. The Church was a prostitute who washed Christs feet with tears, and dried them with her Glory. The Church was Established before the foundations of this world.

The Church, is only seem by those given sight.
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Silly fellow.
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Not one verse in the bible to back the church in Eden or anywheres in the oT.

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Not one verse in the bible to back the church in Eden or anywheres in the oT.

OKSilly fellow.
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