I am baptist and have been baptised and belive and I can tell you the exact second that I reveiced the holy spirit. When I was kinda seing/dating this chick I would go to church with her. It was one of the ones with a lot of singing and stuff like that. My church is a queit church where every one knows everyone, lot's of family's in there. When we went to her dad's church (her parents are divorced) they had all the youth sing or something in the front and then had everyone come up and put there hands on us and pray with us it was really weird. Im not use to do that then a guy asked if i was baptised and all that and he asked if I have recieved the holy spirit yet. And I was like yea iv been baptised and he was like no thats not true we belive once you speak in tonges/ a tounge you recieve the holy spirit. And I kinda got mad because it's like he just called my belifes false. But thankfully that was a while ago and I dont see that ... girl anymore. But I have recently thought of that and it kinda made me mad. But I mean I just made up an excuse saying I gota pee and left before I got mad. When I walked back in the youth leader was up there jabbering in like a differnt language aka in tounge and he would be talking normal then all of the sudden in a tounge and idk it seemed weird. What does everyone here think of it.
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ok so the 1 percent chance is if it brakes, thats the only way the liquid of death can get out any way, i think.
Well...different beliefs for different people/denominations.
I personally believe that salvation and Spirit baptism are two seperate instances/occurances in the Christian walk. I also believe that the only "physical sign" of Spirit baptism is tongues--not shaking, not falling over, not mumbling, not having someone else say something for you.
It's not a trance...you do the talking yourself, but it's an unknown language (to you.) It very easily can be a known worldy language or dialect, perhaps, Swahili or French, but might also be a "heavenly language" that no one on earth knows, but are utterings from your Spirit being in sync with God's.
Of course, like I said, there'll be other opinions on the subject...
One thing I do know...is that proof of the Holy Spirit in people's lives are the fruits of the Spirit.
No fruits, no HS. If you have fruits of the Spirit, but have never "spoken in tongues" who am I to say that you don't have the Holy Spirit?
Those are my two cents...
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When I went forward and said the sinners prayer and I was infront of that church, all the sudden somethign hit me. I couldn't see, my hearing was magnafied everything was so loud it hurt my body moved with out control, i had to walk with no vision out of that church into the bathroom and then everythign went queit and came back to normal. But the whole time I had this feeling and I have never felt anythign like it. Thats when I belive i recieved the holy spirit.
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ok so the 1 percent chance is if it brakes, thats the only way the liquid of death can get out any way, i think.
I am baptist and have been baptised and belive and I can tell you the exact second that I reveiced the holy spirit.When we went to her dad's church (her parents are divorced) they had all the youth sing or something in the front and then had everyone come up and put there hands on us and pray with us it was really weird. Im not use to do that then a guy asked if i was baptised and all that and he asked if I have recieved the holy spirit yet. And I was like yea iv been baptised and he was like no thats not true we belive once you speak in tonges/ a tounge you recieve the holy spirit. And I kinda got mad because it's like he just called my belifes false. But thankfully that was a while ago and I dont see that ... girl anymore. But I have recently thought of that and it kinda made me mad. But I mean I just made up an excuse saying I gota pee and left before I got mad. When I walked back in the youth leader was up there jabbering in like a differnt language aka in tounge and he would be talking normal then all of the sudden in a tounge and idk it seemed weird. What does everyone here think of it.
Very good post ADD BOY. I can relate. My reply is similiar to Froman. I was taught that speaking in tongues was of the devil and I believed that. Then in 1976 I became desperate for God. He led me one step at a time until I came to realize He speaks to us through the Word and in our hearts / minds as well. On one desperate evening I sensed the Lord telling me to go to chapel 2 in Fort Stewart ,GA. I ran to the church. While there ,I met a young black boy praying.Like Fro mentioned.I saw Jesus in him or fruit. He had the peace I was lacking. In humbleness of spirit he told me I needed to be baptized in the Holy Ghost. He reminded me of Peter's blunders until Peter was baptized in the Holy Ghost. Then in Acts 2 we see Peter preaching boldly. Mh heart said this fellow does not have a demon. Let him pray for you. IN FAITH I prayed the language. I seriously doubted that it was tongues ...although I felt good. I wasn't sure.
Not many days after ,I was playinga hymn in the barricks ..Are you Washed in The BLood of The Lamb. The barricks was full and we were off duty. Everyone was loud and partying. I was playing an acoustic guitar. Then, five black guys stood in front of me saying "Look at that G*** *** FOOL!" IN my heart I felt God saying to me."Keep playing for me son." So I did. Then I felt very uneasy..some fear and alot of anxiety. My hand began to shake. Praise God I remember it like it was yesterday. I could hardly hold my pick. I glanced at the 5 guys and between them and me a bright light was there...like a camera flash but was not going off.I looked backat my hymnal. And in my heart something said ."That light doesn't belong there." I quickly looked back up and when I saw the light my entire body was electrified. In quick reverence to God I threw my guitar on my bunk and fell to the position of attention on my knees. I couldn't find the words to praise my God so I opened my mouth and without a doubt He filled me with his Holy Spirit and with a langage I never heard before. The 5 black guys shut up fast and went backwards. The one said loudly" Don't ever make fun of Borden again." and they left. Yes the Baptism in the Holy Ghost can be real.
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Spoke a known language. Acts 2:8
Today don't even claim to use known languages.
Not true. Many instances in church service (that I've been in) when a message has been given in tongues, we've had someone visiting from a different countrywho've actually stood up, given an interpretation of the "tongues" and explained that it was some kind of tribal language from South Africa. How do you explain that? Another person I know was doing childrens evangelism down in South America somewhere and heard a little girl, who was around 9 or 10, saying, "I love you Jesus" in perfect English. Unexplainable...but supernatural.
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Were understood. Acts 2:6; I Cor. 14:19
Don't claim to understand today.
At the day of Pentecost, the non-believers heard their own languages...that's true...if you put a body of spirit-filled tongue talking people in a room with someone from every nation, there would be people today recognizing their language.
Remember, the language wasn't recognizable to the people doing the speaking, only the hearers, and when everyone in the same area speaks English, the tongues probably won't be recognizable.
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Were edified. I Cor. 14:26
No such claim today.
The whole purpose of a public message in tongues is to edify the church. Every church I've been in that believes in Spirit Baptism claims to edify believers when a message in tongues is given.
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Confirmed the word. Acts 10:46;Heb. 2:3-4
Today, they don't accept confirmed word today. Add to and deny it.
Once again, I am insulted. If there is a message given in tongues in any of the churches I've ever stepped foot in that doesn't line up with Scripture, the Pastor will usually address the congregation and say, "I feel like that wasn't from God." I actually had this happen within the past year when a "message" and "interpretation" was given, when the interpretation didn't exactly line up with Scripture. The pastor addressed the congregation and set us straight.
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Spoke by turn. I Cor. 14:27
Today, All speak together in Mass confusion.
I don't agree with this statement either. On the day of Pentecost, if all 3000 people, individually spoke in tongues, they'd still be standing there doing it today. They were all baptized at once, with fire and tongues, and spoke simultaneously.
Today, many people can pray in the Spirit at the same time and have the language be a personal avenue of worship to God, not in need of an interpretation for the whole congregation.
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No interpreter? - Silence. I Cor. 14:28
Today, Don't want to be interpreted.
If a message in tongues is spoken out in church, you wait on an interpretation. That's what God instructs us to do in the Bible. Given, I've seen a congregation wait for what seems like an eternity waiting for the Spirit to give someone a word of edification to the rest of the believers, but never once (and I've been in church for 22 years) have I heard a message in tongues go without an interpretation.
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Sign to unbelievers. I Cor. 14:22
Today, Usedfor excitement.
It's still a sign for unbelievers. And although it is exciting when someone gets all they can from God, and is empowered with His Spirit, it isn't "used" for excitement.
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For use of edifying I Cor. 14:26
Today, Used to Show and entertain
Tongues, today, is still used for edifying the church and believers. This thing was clearly written by someone who's never experienced a true Spirit-filled church.
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Spirit subject to speaker. I Cor. 14:26-31
Today - "Don't stop me, I'm getting a revelation.
Another obviously untrue statement. Though the person is doing the speaking, their spirit is under subjection and in compliance with the Holy Spirit. No one should ever say, "don't stop me I'm getting a revelation."
Spirit baptism isn't a revelation. You can't add any more revelation to God's Word. People speaking in tongues aren't getting a "revelation", they're getting a free gift that God intended them to have.
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Spoke to profit the church I Cor. 14:6
No profit today.
I've been "profited" by messages in tongues before, as have many other believers that I know of. So apparently, there is still profit in it today.
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Prayed for interpretation. I Cor. 14:13
Today - pray for tongue speaking.
Today we pray for "more of God." Seek Jesus and the baptism will happen. The tongues are a product of the baptism. We shouldn't be seeking tongues in itself, we should be seeking after Christ.
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Spoke to instruct. I Cor.14:13
Today, Revel in confusion - no instruction
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I've been in a few services where the public messages in tongues have gotten a bit out of hand. In those instances the pastor has gone up front, stopped it, and explained to believers the correct, set way (in the Bible) to go about speaking publically in tongues. Usually there is no confusion at all.
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Believed Gospel. Mark 16:16
Today, Deny gospel because getting new revelation.
I guess you are saying that myself, a Spirit-filled, tongue-talkin, Bible-thumper, holy-roller, and millions of others around the globe don't believe the Gospel. I appreciate it.
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Spoke to benefit hearers. I Cor. 14:9
Today. Benefit in glory of speaker.
I'm mixed on this one. Public messages in tongues benefit the hearers. Speaking in tongues also benefits the speaker. It's not for his/her own glory though. Without the Holy Spirit there would be no "tongues" at all...the glory is God's. If anyone is taking credit or getting puffed up because they "speak in tongues", they need to examine themselves...and I doubt the genuine baptism of the Spirit in their life.
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Interpret so unlearned understand.; 1 Cor. 14:16
Today, Interpretation not done.
Like I posted before...there's always an interpretation in the congregation when a message in tongues is given.
If someone is praying between themselves to God, usually there isn't an interpretation.There's no need for one. We are limited by linguistics when praying...when my spirit and the Holy Spirit are in sync, I can pray for things unknown to me, through the Spirit. God understands what I'm saying, even though I really have no need to.
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No accusation of madness. I Cor. 14:23
Today confusion rampant.
Confusion isn't rampant today. Only people who've been taught their whole life that tongues isn't for today...are confused. When you examine Scripture it's all there.
And in the Bible, there was an accusation of madness. "These people are drunk." "They can't be, it's only the 3rd hour of the day (9 am)." That sounds like an accusation of madness to me.
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No confusion allowed. I Cor. 14:33
Today, all in confusion.
Once again not true. If there is confusion, the public messages are stopped. God is not a God of confusion...he gave us a set order of guidelines in His book so we could follow them. That's what every church I've been apart of...has always done.
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Women kept silence. I Cor. 14:34
All speak today. In regulating usage of gifts, women had not abilities.
Also not true. All the believers on the Day of Pentecost who heard Peter's message were baptized in the Holy Spirit. It's absurd to think that only men were present. So the women who were there were baptized in the Spirit and spoke in tongues just like, and alongside, the men. So I'm saying and the Bible shows us, that women did have "abilities." The women keeping silent thing was also cultural. It was seen as unacceptable for a woman to speak out of line. Today it's more acceptable then it was then...so you see women speaking out more often.
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Holy Spirit Baptism audible. No mistake in knowing H. S. came upon them. Acts 2:2
None will say so today.
Holy Spirit baptism is still audible. The tongues you hear...yeah, that's audible.
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Holy Spirit baptism visible. Not mistaken in seeing. Acts 2:3
None will say so today.
It's still visible...though perhaps not with the "tongues of fire" on their heads. You can see someone worshiping and praising God, you can also see them speakin in an unknown language, and you can see the empowered changed life that the believer exhibits after being baptized in the Spirit.
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Holy Spirit baptism heard. No mistake in hearing. Acts 2:4
No so today.
So...hearing someone speaking in tongues today...means we're actually not hearing someone speaking in tongues?
Spirit baptism still happens today. Here on August 2, 2006. Therefore, it's no surprise that tongues are "still heard" all over the world.
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Good reply Froman. I agree with you. Bow has caught his tail in a crack and has to let off a little steam. If you don't have the answers to defend, attack.
It is amazing how expert one is on other churches activities and procedures, when they are never around to see what is happening for themselves.
You are right, it is all in the book for those who seek it.
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Spoke a known language. Acts 2:8
Today don't even claim to use known languages. Called praying in the spirt. Paul says I pray in the spirit and in th eunderstanding.
Were understood. Acts 2:6; I Cor. 14:19
Don't claim to understand today. See above statement. Should be done in prayer closet if one is prayin gin the spirit as it brings confusion.
Were edified. I Cor. 14:26 Edifies one self 1 Cor.14.
No such claim today.
Confirmed the word. Acts 10:46;Heb. 2:3-4
Today, they don't accept confirmed word today. Add to and deny it.
Tongues does not confirm anything.I don't know where you got this idea from.
Spoke by turn. I Cor. 14:27
Today, All speak together in Mass confusion. Not all of us believe that.I surely don't
No interpreter? - Silence. I Cor. 14:28 I agree. They need to be still unless there is one. I don't go to confusiing churches. Yet I 'm still a pentecostal ...meaning I believe the gifts are for today.
Today, Don't want to be interpreted.
Sign to unbelievers. I Cor. 14:22 Whoa...when I was baptized in the Holy Ghost it certainly was a sign to unbelievers .
Today, Usedfor excitement.
For use of edifying I Cor. 14:26
Today, Used to Show and entertain Not me ..used for self edification in the spirit. Please don't group all pentecostals together.I believe in the POWER of God but also in order.
Spirit subject to speaker. I Cor. 14:26-31
Today - "Don't stop me, I'm getting a revelation. Not me ..misinformed.
Spoke to profit the church I Cor. 14:6 I haven't heard tongues spoken in church in ages. I am wise and choose my company well. Do I believe in tongues ??Yes sir. But as Fro said I llook for simintaneous fruit at the same time. You can't have the Holy Ghost working in you and be a lover of money or be selfish. It won't happen.
No profit today.
Prayed for interpretation. I Cor. 14:13
Today - pray for tongue speaking. Mis informed my friend.Been a pentecostal since 1976 and I haven't seen this stuff.
Spoke to instruct. I Cor.14:13
Today, Revel in confusion - no instruction. I've visited every AG church in Lakeland which is 7 .I 've seen error in some but none of this. I actually have only heard tongues once and that's when folks were praying for the sick and it was low under their breath.
Believed Gospel. Mark 16:16
Today, Deny gospel because getting new revelation. Wrong...
Spoke to benefit hearers. I Cor. 14:9 Already covered. Today. Benefit in glory of speaker.
Interpret so unlearned understand.; 1 Cor. 14:16 It's not going on as much sir.
Today, Interpretation not done.
No accusation of madness. I Cor. 14:23
Today confusion rampant. I'm not seeing it. Instead they are worshipping for 45 minutes singing praise songs. The church has changed somewhat.
No confusion allowed. I Cor. 14:33 Already hit on this many times
Today, all in confusion.
Women kept silence. I Cor. 14:34
All speak today. In regulating usage of gifts, women had not abilities.
Women are still silent.I'm not seeing any of the things you are accusing the pentecostal church of.
Holy Spirit Baptism audible. No mistake in knowing H. S. came upon them. Acts 2:2
None will say so today. Don't understand the question.
Holy Spirit baptism visible. Not mistaken in seeing. Acts 2:3
None will say so today. Good point. I see no tongues of fire . However..did tongues of fire appear on the other tongue speaking instances recorded in Acts. It certainly isn't mentioned.
Holy Spirit baptism heard. No mistake in hearing. Acts 2:4
No so today. Don't understand.I hear Him loud and clear everyday.
My friend..be careful in judging what you don't understand. The gifts of the Holy Spirit are very precious in deed. Teh Bible tells us to covet spiritual gifts. They are to build you up in your most Holy faith. Everything has a counterfeit.That still should not make void the genuine.
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Chuck7: Everything has a counterfeit.That still should not make void the genuine.
Chuck, no truer a statement has even been said.
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I got a questoin about the holy spirit.
I could hardly hold my pick. I glanced at the 5 guys and between them and me a bright light was there...like a camera flash but was not going off.I looked backat my hymnal. And in my heart something said ."That light doesn't belong there." I quickly looked back up and when I saw the light my entire body was electrified. In quick reverence to God I threw my guitar on my bunk and fell to the position of attention on my knees. I couldn't find the words to praise my God so I opened my mouth and without a doubt He filled me with his Holy Spirit and with a langage I never heard before. The 5 black guys shut up fast and went backwards. The one said loudly" Don't ever make fun of Borden again." and they left. Yes the Baptism in the Holy Ghost can be real. 
