The True Jews' thoughts on This War

[Alex The Hawk]

Received this letter from our Jewish Brothers in Hebron Israel.


The following article's heading said :"We can hasten redemption." I would argue that G-D's plan for Israel's redemption is right on time, according to His time table. -
The Passover seder is basically a history (and destiny) lesson to remind us who we are, from whence we came, and where we are going, and, most important of all, Who has always been guiding and protecting us through all generations. "œIn every generation there arise those who seek to destroy us. But G-d always has mercy upon us and intervenes to rescue us."�
Although we have a commandment to blot out the memory of Amalek, clearly this eternal enemy was created to serve a purpose. We find, consistently throughout our history, that Amalek attacked us when we failed to live up to our obligations. This was symbolically seen during our battle with Amalek in the desert. When our teacher, Moses, raised his hands to heaven we prevailed. When his hands grew weary and were lowered Amalek prevailed.
Rashi tells us that immediately after our redemption from Egypt the entire world was afraid of Israel. They saw the miracles G-d performed for us and would never dream of opposing us in battle. It was as if there was a moat of boiling water surrounding us and no one would dare even put his toe into that moat. Amalek hated G-d and the Jewish people so much that he literally jumped into that moat of boiling water (so to speak), to certain death, just so that the water would be cooled enough for Israel"™s enemies to attack us.
Hizbulla today is clearly emulating the hatred of Amalek toward G-d and the Jewish people. No terrorist organization can take on an army. Hizbulla has no hope of defeating Israel. What it does have is an unbridled religious hatred which has driven it to engage in a suicidal battle in the hope that it will eventually draw in the entire Arab world along with it (not to mention non-Arab haters of Israel).
Ehud Olmert is only fighting this war because he has no other option. It is a war which he feels can be justified to the entire world. The fact is that no war needs to be justified to the entire world. One fights a war which is justified to himself. If nobody cares whether or not the Jewish state is defeated does that mean we should simply surrender to our enemies? When nations threaten Israel and try to take away her land, even "œpeacefully"�, we have an obligation to protect our country and our people by fighting for what is ours. The concept of Land for Peace is simply a clever request for us to peacefully surrender to our enemies. We have no right to consider such an absurd proposal.
The battle we are fighting now is not one of our choosing. Were our leaders inspired with genuine Jewish faith, we could use this battle to hasten redemption by removing our enemies from our midst and permanently possessing all Jewish Lands currently under our control, including Gaza. We would tell the American leadership that we cannot accept the concept of another Arab state on Jewish soil. If the so-called "œPalestinians"� need a state there is plenty of room to build one in Saudi Arabia or any of the other 21 Arab states in the region.
Once again the Creator of the Universe has given us a miraculous opportunity to hasten redemption and defeat our enemies. This is truly the path to genuine peace. Only by serving G-d can peace be achieved. Instead we have consistently defied Him. Only by returning to our G-d, our Torah and our Homeland can we earn a speedy redemption.

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[dapoppy]

Before responding, it should be pointed out that the True Jews, as God speaks of in the Bible, are the "inward Jews", not the "outward Jews" as we see God say in Romans 2:27-29. The outward Jew, while being physically Jewish, is not Spiritually, or inwardly Jewish because he lacks the Holy Spirit of the Jewish Messiah within himself, therefore he leans on his physical Jewish as his saving grace. However, like the Pharisees, who were blood children of Abraham, and who where indeed Jewish, and who leaned on that for righteousness, the modern day Jew who points to his Jewish blood as being special, will share the same fate as the Pharisees, who Jesus called "children of the devil".

The True Jew, is the "inward" Jew, who Christ Jesus indwells, through His Mercy, and Love. In otherwords, a man whose blood is Asian, who calls on Jesus, is more Jewish, than a man whose blood is Jewish, yet denounces Jesus.

The following article's heading said :"We can hasten redemption." I would argue that G-D's plan for Israel's redemption is right on time, according to His time table. -

Agreed, however it must be pointed out that Israel, the True Israel of the Bible, is a metaphor for Gods Church, which now, and always has, represented the Chosen people of God

The Passover seder is basically a history (and destiny) lesson to remind us who we are, from whence we came, and where we are going, and, most important of all, Who has always been guiding and protecting us through all generations.

Agreeed, the very first passover was an example, or a future glimpse of how the Blood of a Lamb would usher the Church into salvation. During the first passover, we see the nation of Israel, which God chose to represent His Holy Church, made safe by the blood of a lamb, to save them from death, and deliver them from damnation , which Eygpt represented. This was a sign pointing to the ultimate Salvation, in which God Himself would become the Blood Sacrifice, to save His people, the Blessed Church.

"œIn every generation there arise those who seek to destroy us. But G-d always has mercy upon us and intervenes to rescue us."�

The Church was under attack since day one. When Adam, and Eve represented it, it was under attack. When Noah represented it, it was under attack. When Abraham represented it, it was under attack, when the nation of Israel represented it, it was under attack, and now that it has been made manifest in this world, it is even more hated, and despised by those who hate Jesus Christ, and deny His Name.

Although we have a commandment to blot out the memory of Amalek, clearly this eternal enemy was created to serve a purpose. We find, consistently throughout our history, that Amalek attacked us when we failed to live up to our obligations.

The True Church was never able to live up to "obligations", without Jesus Christ as an advocate. He was with us in the Garden, and will be with us at the final trump.

This was symbolically seen during our battle with Amalek in the desert. When our teacher, Moses, raised his hands to heaven we prevailed. When his hands grew weary and were lowered Amalek prevailed.

You are confused. The plight of the Church , {which at that point was represented by the nation of Israel}, in the desert was a glimpse of the coming tribulation that all True Believers must suffer before the Last Day.

Rashi tells us that immediately after our redemption from Egypt the entire world was afraid of Israel. They saw the miracles G-d performed for us and would never dream of opposing us in battle.

The world was not afraid of the nation of Israel, but rather that which national Israel represented at that time, which was the Holy Church. It is only natural for the unsaved to fear that which God protects, this is why the Jewish Pharisees, who were pictures of satan, so hated , feared, and sought to destroy Jesus, and the Brothers. This fear, and hatred is even stronger today.

It was as if there was a moat of boiling water surrounding us and no one would dare even put his toe into that moat. Amalek hated G-d and the Jewish people so much that he literally jumped into that moat of boiling water (so to speak), to certain death, just so that the water would be cooled enough for Israel"™s enemies to attack us.

The enemy of the Church, which was once represented by the nation of Israel, will war with the Church until the Day Christ returns, which is the Last Day of the world, and then, he, and his children will perish in fire.

Hizbulla today is clearly emulating the hatred of Amalek toward G-d and the Jewish people.

You are again confused. Both Hizbulla, and present day Judean Israel are God Haters, who reject Jesus Christ as Saviour, therefore both sides are plying the vocation of satan as they slam away at one another. Their outcome is certain, and in no way effects the Plan for the True Israel, which is the Holy Church, the Body of Jesus Christ.

No terrorist organization can take on an army. Hizbulla has no hope of defeating Israel

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You have stumbled on to an accidental truth. While the Church, once represented by the nation of Israel prior to the Cross, can never be destroyed by a physical army, the collection of people who live in present day Israel can be defeated, as any worldly nation can be deafted in war. Your mistake is thinking that people who are Jewish by blood, somehow represent Gods Holy Nation, that is the Church.

What it does have is an unbridled religious hatred which has driven it to engage in a suicidal battle in the hope that it will eventually draw in the entire Arab world along with it (not to mention non-Arab haters of Israel).

I agree. Arabs hate the present day Israel, and present day Israel hates the Arabs, and they both hate the Church, and denounce Jesus as Lord, hence their direction is clear.

Ehud Olmert is only fighting this war because he has no other option. It is a war which he feels can be justified to the entire world. The fact is that no war needs to be justified to the entire world.

This war, between godless nations, is being fought because they are godless. It is no different than the war in Iraq. Both the USA, and Iraq are godless nations who will kill each other so long as they can profit for it. The Good News is, is that among all these nations, there resides members of Gods Holy Church, and we know they are the True Godly Nation, and they will be the only ones standing on the Last Day!

One fights a war which is justified to himself. If nobody cares whether or not the Jewish state is defeated does that mean we should simply surrender to our enemies?

The Jewish state is simply a chunk of land, no different than Iraq, Canada, ***an, and so forth. What happens to it, and anyphysical nation for that matter has no bearing on the Salvation Plan of God for His Church

When nations threaten Israel and try to take away her land, even "œpeacefully"�, we have an obligation to protect our country and our people by fighting for what is ours.

Agreed. Physical Jews should have the right to defend their land. My only issue with them, is their false declaration that they represent the Kingdom of God. Then again, the Muslims they war with profess to represent that Kingdom also. Funny how these self proclaimed God fearing nations, mock, and reject Jesus Christ, the Author of Salvation.

The concept of Land for Peace is simply a clever request for us to peacefully surrender to our enemies. We have no right to consider such an absurd proposal.

The boundries of physical nations always change with wars of men. They mean nothing to the True Holy Nation.

The battle we are fighting now is not one of our choosing. Were our leaders inspired with genuine Jewish faith, we could use this battle to hasten redemption by removing our enemies from our midst and permanently possessing all Jewish Lands currently under our control, including Gaza.

Nonsense, present day physical Israel, like Lebanon, are war mongering people who are only focused on physical poccessions, but in there defense, so are all nations. As for "faith". There is only one Faith, and it is Jesus Christ, which most of present day Israel reject.

We would tell the American leadership that we cannot accept the concept of another Arab state on Jewish soil.

Since present day Israel is a kept nation, that exists totally on the charity, and protection of the USA taxpayers, you are not in any postion to place demands.

If the so-called "œPalestinians"� need a state there is plenty of room to build one in Saudi Arabia or any of the other 21 Arab states in the region.

And they feel the same about Israel.

Once again the Creator of the Universe has given us a miraculous opportunity to hasten redemption and defeat our enemies.

No the Lord has given the Blessed Church that power, and those Jews who are among the remnant, who know Jesus as Lord. As for present day Israel, they have no Blessings from God, because God's Blessings are poured out on His People

This is truly the path to genuine peace

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The Bible ofGod teaches that killing the flesh is not the answer, but then again, present day Israel rejects God.

Only by serving G-d can peace be achieved.

One cannot call on God, while rejecting Jesus Christ.

Instead we have consistently defied Him. Only by returning to our G-d, our Torah and our Homeland can we earn a speedy redemption.

While the remnant will be caught up with the Church, the die has beencast. The True HolyNation is established, and it is the Blessed Church, not geographical Israel

[cataway]

some thing looks very familiar. if you know what i mean

[Rebel Hog]

ORIGINAL: dapoppy


The True Jew, is the "inward" Jew, who Christ Jesus indwells, through His Mercy, and Love. In otherwords, a man whose blood is Asian, who calls on Jesus, is more Jewish, than a man whose blood is Jewish, yet denounces Jesus.

I have a feeling who you are, but never the less, I agree with you!

[Alex The Hawk]

He Is baaaack ! More agreeable though,LOL

[Alex The Hawk]

Dapoppy, What is meant by an inwardly Jew is , Those Jews That believe in the one true God, the God that gave us Torah, the God That liberated us from Pharaoh.

Birth Does not make one a Jew , just a hebrew or Israeliis borned, once he Grows up in The Torah and adheres to God's commands he is a jew inwardly.

The Priests and Rabbis who crucified Christ, were only Jews outwardly, they did not believe the Torah 100%
That is why Yeshuah rubbed them the wrong way, Just Like I rubb you the wrong way.

Just Like I can say a christian is those that inwardly are believers in the Jewish Messiah, one is not a christian Just because he is borned into a christian home, one has to be borned first of the flesh and water and then of the Spirit, then one can be called a christian.

There are many pious Jews even today, whose lifes are dedicated to pleasing God, they have such love for God that I haven't seen in many Christians specially You.

That is what you have shown here comtempt for all the christians on this site, and the owners of this site who do not want you in here.

Your hate for all of us and for the israel of God, goes beyond anyone I have ever met, it is only comparable to Hitler.

Good bye.

[Rebel Hog]

Bro.Alex, I'm merely asking a question, why is it that less than 10% of the population of Israel believe in Christ?

[dapoppy]

Dapoppy, What is meant by an inwardly Jew is , Those Jews That believe in the one true God, the God that gave us Torah, the God That liberated us from Pharaoh.

The term, inwardly Jewish was used by the Apostle Paul to differentiate between the the True Believers in Jesus Christ, who were both Jewish, and Gentile, and the unsaved Jews who pointed to their Jewishness as their saving Grace. Before their ever was a nation of Israel, God was at Work in His Preparation plans for Saving the Church, which at one time was indeed represented by Israel, and hels safe by Levitical law, but which now represented as a Bride of Jesus Christ, held safe by His New Covenant Promise of eternal life.

Birth Does not make one a Jew , just a hebrew or Israeliis borned, once he Grows up in The Torah and adheres to God's commands he is a jew inwardly.

That is False. The Torah has nothing to do with Gods people, for it was done away with when Christ became the High Preist, and the inward Jew is a picture , or example of a person who is indwelt with the Holy Ghost of a Lord Who came from the tribe of Judah, a Jewish Tribe, thus making them aChild inwardly.

The Priests and Rabbis who crucified Christ, were only Jews outwardly, they did not believe the Torah 100%

Agreed. To think that belief in the Torah makes one a Child of God, is as incorrect as the Pharisees thinking that they were Children of God for being children of Abraham.

That is why Yeshuah rubbed them the wrong way, Just Like I rubb you the wrong way.

Jesus did not "rub them the wrong way", He exposed them. You do not rub me the wrong way at all. I am simply doing my job, by correcting your false comments. Just another dayat the office, so to speak....

Just Like I can say a christian is those that inwardly are believers in the Jewish Messiah,

God has no Race, Color, nor is He of any Ethnic group. God simply Chose to come as a Messiah, through the tribe {Judah} of a certain ethnic people. Jesus, on earth was indeed a Jew, and Kept Jesus Law, however the Jesus Who sits beside the Father, is of no Race, or Creed of man. With that said, you are correct when you say that belief in the Jewish Messiah, which Jesus was, is paramount.

one is not a christian Just because he is borned into a christian home, one has to be borned first of the flesh and water and then of the Spirit, then one can be called a christian.

I agree totally

There are many pious Jews even today, whose lifes are dedicated to pleasing God, they have such love for God that I haven't seen in many Christians specially You.

There are many Gods. If these Jews dedicate themselves to pleasing God, while denouncing Jesus, and His Church, then they are Jews of Satans lineage.

That is what you have shown here comtempt for all the christians on this site, and the owners of this site who do not want you in here.

I understand that religous men who lean on the teachings, and writings of their family, and men, can feel threatened by what I teach. However, it must be taught for the sake of the True Believers here.

Your hate for all of us and for the israel of God, goes beyond anyone I have ever met, it is only comparable to Hitler.

Actually, reading your many posts reflect a sublime racism that try to mask, but cannot. You see, if Jesus were here today, you would no doubt acuse Him of being a Nazi like Hitler, for pointing out that most of the Jewish religous leaderswere/are children of satan. You post hereNOT to further the Kingdom of Jesus Christ, but rather you post here to push the Jewish political, and Judean agenda. It is visable to all who want to be truely honest with themselves.



Good bye.

[Alex The Hawk]

Jesus Was Jesus The Jew and was God So he could Accusse the Jews of All their Faults, But You are not God and you are not An israelite therefore you cannot accuse or Judge, for that power is only God's. When You do it it makes you a racist, that which you accuse me off, yet you don't know me, you don't know who I work with or for.
So how dare you Judge, your but a worm on this earth, only God can Judge me.

Your salvation is questionable by your the way you express yourself, I can surely say you are not a son of God.

Repent for the time of his coming and judgement is around the corner, and all enemies of Israel will be Judge and condemned.

Examine your heart that is full of hate, Israel is the people of God ,bought and paid by his blood, whether you like it or not.

May God himself rebuke you hasatan !

[dapoppy]

Jesus Was Jesus The Jew and was God So he could Accusse the Jews of All their Faults, But You are not God and you are not An israelite

While I am not God, I am a Child of God, and a Spiritual Jew

therefore you cannot accuse or Judge, for that power is only God's.

I can indeed judge those who claim to know God, while denying the Blood of Jesus....1Cor 5-12

When You do it it makes you a racist, that which you accuse me off,

Na, it just makes me a guy who rebukes false teachers. Just because you are Jewish, you will still be rebuked when you spread false tales.

yet you don't know me, you don't know who I work with or for.
So how dare you Judge,

I can only judge you by what you write here, and it's pretty indictitive of the kind of person you are.

your but a worm on this earth, only God can Judge me.

as I said, it's your words, and how you use them that paint a picture of yourself.

Your salvation is questionable by your the way you express yourself, I can surely say you are not a son of God.

Well, your fathers said the same thing about Jesus, and the Brothers, so why shouldn't you say that about me. I cannot say for sure if you are saved. I do hope so though.

Repent for the time of his coming and judgement is around the corner, and all enemies of Israel will be Judge and condemned.

Perhaps you should post that on your forehead........

Examine your heart that is full of hate, Israel is the people of God ,bought and paid by his blood, whether you like it or not.

I guess calling someone a worm, is the opposite of hate, eh Alex????

May God himself rebuke you hasatan !

Man, that was a low blow.......