The Theology of A pre-trib rapture is not old, it came because of mis-interpretations of Prophecies, specially in Daniel's 70 weeks.[/align]Thus Western Church theology interprets as if only 69 weeks were fulfilled by ignoring past History of The Jewish People.[/align]The 70th Week of Daniel was all fulfilled as Jesus Predicted in Matthew 24 with the destruction of the Temple and the scattering of The Jews all over the world.[/align][/align]Churches have a hang up on the antichrist, the zeals of Revelation and the trumpets and the missing week of Daniels of 7 years,as if all were in a certain order or future order.They think we are going to see these things happen, but all we will see or are already seeing is the effect of the openings of the seals and the sounding of the trumpets.[/align]They again Ignore Jewish History for whom and by whom Prophecy was written.[/align][/align]We are not awaiting a Pre-trib raptured and we are not awaiting an anti christ who will seal everyone with a number, that already happened to us in the 1940s with Hittler.[/align]We are seeing the last enemy of Revelations rise up as prophecied, the False Prophet "Muhammed" and his hores, which persecute The Chosen People, and causes war until the end of all things as the angel told Daniel.[/align]We are in the period known as the times of the gentiles and it is now ending, when the last gentile whose name is already written in the book of life accepts Yeshua's atonement that is it !, all hell will break loose as we are beginning to see.[/align][/align]We have to take the things that are already fulfilled and fit it to the prophecy which was given back then.[/align][/align]We will see Yeshuah return in the clouds when Israel is sorrounded by the Islamic confedaracy now forming in the middle east, they will be accompanied by Russia and China, when everything seems that is going to mean the end for Israel, At that day and moment the heavens will be opened, there will be a great earthquake aslarge as there has ever being, the graves will be opened and the Dead ,both Jews and Believers in Masshiach will rise and be transformed in the twinkling of an eye, then those of us who might be alive will follow them and be transformed also in the twinkling of an eye.[/align]we will be taken up to the clouds where Yeshua is waiting with millions of the armies of Heaven,We will join them and proceed down to earth.[/align]When The armies of the enemy sees these things take place, they will be filled with fear and confussion and they will begin to fire upon each other, Then Yeshua Himself with the power of His word will cause the False Prophet to die and the armies of Heaven will dessumate the armies of the nations that have come against Jerusalem, Fire will rain upon their armies, perhaps you have seen how Israel made literal phosphorous fire rain on Lebanon ?It will be as such but 1000 times more intense, perhaps it will be by Nukes or simply fire and brimstone from heaven.[/align]That is what it will happen one event, one resurrection for the believers ,one rapture, that is what scripture supports.[/align][/align]Are you ready ?, Because deep in my spirit, I can feel it coming.[/align][/align]These description is my personal understanding of such events according to the prophets and the apostles.[/align][/align]Shalom[/align]
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Good post and I agree with some of it.I can't say that I agree with all of it because I'm not the type of person as you seem to be,having knowledge or an understanding of Bible prophecy. I will however one day have a complete understanding of all these events, that day that I am raptured up and get my glorified body. What I can do now is continue tostrive for what Christ saved me to be.
IMO prophecy is a great study and very needed in the believers devotions. However, if one isn't careful prophecy can become a trap. One will end up spending so much time studying the times, orders, types and shadows, ect of these events that he fails to maintain his christian walk with God in the interim and not be prepared for the event itself. IMO everything should evolve and revolve around a continual state of readyness. If readiness is not maintained, knowledge is in vain.
The ultimate is readiness combined with knowledge.
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I'm not trying to be anti socialYOu all know where I stand. We've gone over this a few times. I'm a mid tribber...but I agree as Snook...your enenrgies should be spent abiding in Him, Being Ready .
God bless,
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I've all but given up trying to understand the endtime events due to the many opinions, which all make as much sense to me as the next one. In the course of my studies I agreed and then come to disagree with almost every interpretation of these prophesies.
Alex, your post for the most part makes as much sense as any . I just don't know.
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The 70th Week of Daniel was all fulfilled as Jesus Predicted in Matthew 24 with the destruction of the Temple and the scattering of The Jews all over the world.
False. The 24th Chapter of Matthew points to the fact that True Christians will flee the corrupt Churches,and be scattered when they are taken over by false pastors {lead by Satan} as we see in verse 15. The destruction of the temple is speaking of Jesus Christ being crucified. The unsaved Jews of that time thought Jesus spoke of the physical temple, just as many do today.
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Churches have a hang up on the antichrist, the zeals of Revelation and the trumpets and the missing week of Daniels of 7 years,as if all were in a certain order or future order.They think we are going to see these things happen, but all we will see or are already seeing is the effect of the openings of the seals and the sounding of the trumpets.
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While most Christian Churches are drasticly decieved, the fact is, is that the teaching that comes out of MessianicJewish teaching is even more corrupt.]
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that already happened to us in the 1940s with Hittler.
Total hogwash that has no Biblical foundation whatsoever.
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We are seeing the last enemy of Revelations rise up as prophecied, the False Prophet "Muhammed" and his hores, which persecute The Chosen People, and causes war until the end of all things as the angel told Daniel.
While Jewish racism has attempted to sell this race baiting false prophesy, they fail to remember that it is just not the False prophet of Islam that is a hore, but also the false prophets of all man made religions, and cults that denounce Jesus Christ as Saviour, including post Calvary Judeaism
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We are in the period known as the times of the gentiles and it is now ending, when the last gentile whose name is already written in the book of life accepts Yeshua's atonement that is it !, all hell will break loose as we are beginning to see.
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While false accounts, of false religions may preach this, The Bible speaks nothing of it.
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We have to take the things that are already fulfilled and fit it to the prophecy which was given back then.
We, who are the Children of God have to do no such thing.
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We will see Yeshuah return in the clouds when Israel is sorrounded by the Islamic confedaracy now forming in the middle east, they will be accompanied by Russia and China, when everything seems that is going to mean the end for Israel,
While such nonsense would make a great hollywood mini series, it has about as much basis in fact as flying turtles. It is the creation of a race centered religous cult that attempts to place themselves at the center of the Universe. The Good News, is that Bible tells us that we who are His, will simply endure the Great Tribulation, than be there on the Last Day when the unsaved stand for Judgement.
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At that day and moment the heavens will be opened, there will be a great earthquake aslarge as there has ever being, the graves will be opened and the Dead ,both Jews and Believers in Masshiach will rise and be transformed in the twinkling of an eye, then those of us who might be alive will follow them and be transformed also in the twinkling of an eye
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More Horse hockey. To be absent from the body, is to be present with the Lord. It's amazing how Scripture can be soo twisted, and prostituted.
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we will be taken up to the clouds where Yeshua is waiting with millions of the armies of Heaven,We will join them and proceed down to earth.
TheBible simply does not teach this.
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When The armies of the enemy sees these things take place, they will be filled with fear and confussion and they will begin to fire upon each other,
Kind of like a Mel Gibson action movie
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Then Yeshua Himself with the power of His word will cause the False Prophet to die and the armies of Heaven will dessumate the armies of the nations that have come against Jerusalem,
Those who attempt to add to, or take away from the prophecy are seen as children of satan, with no hope for salvation.
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Fire will rain upon their armies, perhaps you have seen how Israel made literal phosphorous fire rain on Lebanon ?It will be as such but 1000 times more intense, perhaps it will be by Nukes or simply fire and brimstone from heaven.
It's amazing how a false teacher can suggest that man made, carnal weapons, that the Bible says are not the "weapons" of the Christian...2Cor 10:3-4, will be used by them on the last day.
False. The 24th Chapter of Matthew points to the fact that True Christians will flee the corrupt Churches,and be scattered when they are taken over by false pastors {lead by Satan} as we see in verse 15. The destruction of the temple is speaking of Jesus Christ being crucified. The unsaved Jews of that time thought Jesus spoke of the physical temple, just as many do today.
Those who attempt to add to, or take away from the prophecy are seen as children of satan, with no hope for salvation.
It's amazing how a false teacher can suggest that man made, carnal weapons, that the Bible says are not the "weapons" of the Christian...2Cor 10:3-4, will be used by them on the last day.
I think you are right about the author there Chuck. The above quotes seem to have that same hateful ring of bitterness. Void of Gods love and totally lacking of his grace.
In a phone conversation with havbinhealed, I was assured that he wasn't taught the individualpredestination before the world began theory by any man. He supposed to have been knocked down by God, and rizen the next day by God, with this false revelation. He then admitted to have believed the "falling from grace" teaching at the beginning, but after a discussion with his 25 year old son, came away believing one was predestinated and could not fall away. If he wasn't truthful about how he came to this so called "knowledge" that only the predestinated and save have access to, what else would he be less than honest about?
If this isn't Isaac, or what ever his real name is, please except my apology for jumping to conclusions.
THE THEOLOGY OF THE RAPTURE
YOu all know where I stand. We've gone over this a few times. I'm a mid tribber...but I agree as Snook...your enenrgies should be spent abiding in Him, Being Ready .
