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This would show thatearth is100s of thousandof years old if not millions...From what I remember in school it takesthismany years for wood to become petrified.. And from the fossils they found I would think 100s of thousands of years also...How old is the earth supposed to be according to the bible??? There was alot a talk about the age of earth and noahs ark up to the birth of Jesus of 2006 years ago... Makes ya think about this a bit more don't it.. I believe Ron Wyatt found the ark and other bible talked about stories... His finds seem more realistic andvery believablewith evidence he has gatheredcompared to this...

http://www.wyattmuseum.com/ron-wyatt.htm
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"This would show thatearth is100s of thousandof years old if not millions...From what I remember in school it takesthismany years for wood to become petrified.. And from the fossils they found I would think 100s of thousands of years also..."

All depends on who your teacher is. I teach in the public school and do not teach that. Sure ..the text books may say that, but when we reach a statement like that I pause.....and say " Fact or opinion." Then my class responds, "Opinion." According to the Bible ,Adam was born close to 4004 B.C. Now a day of the Lord can be 1000years , we know that from scripture..but millions and millions.I don't think so. Just like scientist believe the center of the inner core is 9-10,000 degrees in fahrenheit. No man has ever gone through the 20 mile crust yet. How do they know what the center is like.? They no longer speak as a hypothesis but as fact. This is part of the plan of Satan to discredit God's Word. And...this is most effective in children. They literally believe every word I tell them . I keep a King James Bible on my desk with a time line above my blackboard. My first event marked is 4004 B.C. Creation of Adam.
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This would show thatearth is100s of thousandof years old if not millions...From what I remember in school it takesthismany years for wood to become petrified.. And from the fossils they found I would think 100s of thousands of years also...How old is the earth supposed to be according to the bible??? There was alot a talk about the age of earth and noahs ark up to the birth of Jesus of 2006 years ago... Makes ya think about this a bit more don't it.. I believe Ron Wyatt found the ark and other bible talked about stories... His finds seem more realistic andvery believablewith evidence he has gatheredcompared to this...

http://www.wyattmuseum.com/ron-wyatt.htm
The Earth could very well be eons old, The Torah does not say the earth was created in one day as the rest of each creation, Ber**** 1(Genesis) says, In the beginning Elohim (RE) Created the Heavens and the earth, no time line was given, not even between heavens and the earth, the Hebrew expression indicates that the heavens were created first and then the earth, also the word in english created is written in a form of Hebrew that implies recreated or renewed, second point, when the Spirit of God Hovered over the voidness and emptiness of the waters that covered the earth, the earth was already in existance, the word here translated void and empty is also the word "CAOS".
So what Jewish sages said is that this creation that we are part of by Adam and eve (Isher And ISha) is close to 6,000 years old, but other scriptures implied there has being at least 5 creations before this one, and that this one will be the last one, the next one is the creation of the spiritual man and therefore eternal.
That comes in line with what we believe of the resurrection and transformation of our bodies into a heavenly body and eternal, and what Peter says about God (re) creating a new heaven and new earth.

I know these things are hard to understand if you only read the Bible in English as the translators did the best they could, and some of these things do not carry from Hebrew to english.

That teaching can explain a lot of things such as the era of the dinousaurs, which perished in the 4th creation,etc.

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This would show thatearth is100s of thousandof years old if not millions...From what I remember in school it takesthismany years for wood to become petrified.. And from the fossils they found I would think 100s of thousands of years also...How old is the earth supposed to be according to the bible??? There was alot a talk about the age of earth and noahs ark up to the birth of Jesus of 2006 years ago... Makes ya think about this a bit more don't it.. I believe Ron Wyatt found the ark and other bible talked about stories... His finds seem more realistic andvery believablewith evidence he has gatheredcompared to this...

http://www.wyattmuseum.com/ron-wyatt.htm

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Petrified wood intrigues both old and young alike. Finding a rock in the exact shape and pattern as wood brings to mind several curious questions. When did this happen? How long did it take? What caused this situation? While these (and other) questions about petrified wood are interesting, the question that pertains to the creation/evolution debate centers on how long the process takes. Those who believe in an old Earth suggest that wood petrifies over millions of years. A "fact sheet" on petrified wood found in South Dakota has this to say about the situation: "The final condition, necessary for petrification, is time. The mineral replacement process is very slow, probably taking millions of years" (Teachout, 1995).
The idea that it takes millions of years for wood to petrify, however, is patently false. As is usually the case with such geological phenomena, the actual process has very little to do with the amount of time available, but instead demands the right conditions.
Andrew Snelling has documented several instances"in the laboratory and in nature"in which wood was petrified in just a few months or years (Snelling, 1995). He also discussed the fact that Hamilton Hicks was granted a U.S. patent in 1986 for a chemical "cocktail" that can produce wood that "evidently has all the characteristics of petrified wood, including its appearance" (1995).
John Morris commented that "no informed geologist would say it takes an excessively long time" for wood to petrify. He documented one field experiment in which a block of wood was placed in an alkaline spring for a year, after which, "substantial petrification had occurred" (2004).
It does not take thousands or millions of years to petrify wood, and arguments that suggest such cannot be used to bolster the fallacious idea of an old Earth. Wood can petrify quite rapidly"a situation that certainly fits nicely into the young Earth model.


If you look in that museum ,you will see a cowboys leg still inside a cowboy boot totally petrified, yet the boot was manufactured in the 1890 by a company that still makes boots.






[align=center]REFERENCES[/align]Morris, John (2004), "How Long Does It Take for Wood to Petrify?", [On-line], URL: http://www. icr.org/pubs/btg-b/btg-082b.htm.
Snelling, Andrew (1995), ""Instant" Petrified Wood," [On-line], URL: http://www.answersingenesis.org/home...v17n4_wood.asp.
Teachout, Gerald E. (1995), "Petrified Wood of South Dakota," [On-line], URL: http://www.northern.edu/natsource/earth/Petrif1.htm.

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Very interesting. I'm not sure what to think about whether this is the Ark or not, but the petrified wood thing intrigues me.

I've always thought that it was hard to believe that it takes so long to petrify wood. I also think that our process of dating things is flawed, since a lot of different phenomenon can occur that would increase the level of atmospheric radiation, thus altering how much carbon would be found in an object.
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The mineral replacement process is very slow, probably taking millions of years"
Noah's Ark is presently petrified.
If you date chronologically the date of Noah's Ark it doesn't go back that far. ...to millions of years. Alex date puts Noah's Ark back between 5- 6000
My studies between 3500 - 4000. I am a rock collector as well and have loads of fossils and large chunks of petrified wood. I've found fossilized gator jaws on top of the sand islands before. I'm telling you Science is not always fact. We know that we can tell the age of trees by the tree rings. I studied under one of the best in college who said " And the oldest tree fossil we have is from the Grand Canyon which dates back some 10,000 years. Alex, I don't buy your other creation theories brother. We have God's Word teh way God intended for us to have it. No disrespect brother...just my heart feelings. We can choose to believe God's Word or Science. Col.2:8 See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ. My favorite subject is Science. Every five years schools must change textbooks. It's amazing how these millions get turned to billions as Satan so cleverly tries to take us farther from God. Teaching truly is a ministry as I endeaver to get these kids to think for themselves in the light of God's Word ..without loosing my job.
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This would show thatearth is100s of thousandof years old if not millions...From what I remember in school it takesthismany years for wood to become petrified.. And from the fossils they found I would think 100s of thousands of years also...How old is the earth supposed to be according to the bible??? There was alot a talk about the age of earth and noahs ark up to the birth of Jesus of 2006 years ago... Makes ya think about this a bit more don't it.. I believe Ron Wyatt found the ark and other bible talked about stories... His finds seem more realistic andvery believablewith evidence he has gatheredcompared to this...

http://www.wyattmuseum.com/ron-wyatt.htm
The Earth could very well be eons old, The Torah does not say the earth was created in one day as the rest of each creation, Ber**** 1(Genesis) says, In the beginning Elohim (RE) Created the Heavens and the earth, no time line was given, not even between heavens and the earth, the Hebrew expression indicates that the heavens were created first and then the earth, also the word in english created is written in a form of Hebrew that implies recreated or renewed, second point, when the Spirit of God Hovered over the voidness and emptiness of the waters that covered the earth, the earth was already in existance, the word here translated void and empty is also the word "CAOS".
So what Jewish sages said is that this creation that we are part of by Adam and eve (Isher And ISha) is close to 6,000 years old, but other scriptures implied there has being at least 5 creations before this one, and that this one will be the last one, the next one is the creation of the spiritual man and therefore eternal.
That comes in line with what we believe of the resurrection and transformation of our bodies into a heavenly body and eternal, and what Peter says about God (re) creating a new heaven and new earth.

I know these things are hard to understand if you only read the Bible in English as the translators did the best they could, and some of these things do not carry from Hebrew to english.

That teaching can explain a lot of things such as the era of the dinousaurs, which perished in the 4th creation,etc.

Shalom aylechem
Are you saying the bible is wrong about how long it took God to create the earth and the things upon it??? Then if this is so, then the sabbath day would not be correct either then....About the petrified wood then....The ark was covered in pitch...Which would slow the petrifie stage down quite a bit....But yet, We still find dinosaur bones unpetrified and fragile...Now if these animals was destroyed in the flood...(which I believe) They would be petrified also....But this ark was cover in pitch and was found solid rock hard....I don't buy that it is the ark....Don't fit the dinosaurs bones that been found.....I to do not believe they can age things correctly either...And like been said,,The books are always changing from inaccurate answers.....
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Are you saying the bible is wrong about how long it took God to create the earth and the things upon it??? Then if this is so, then the sabbath day would not be correct either then....About the petrified wood then....The ark was covered in pitch...Which would slow the petrifie stage down quite a bit....But yet, We still find dinosaur bones unpetrified and fragile...Now if these animals was destroyed in the flood...(which I believe) They would be petrified also....But this ark was cover in pitch and was found solid rock hard....I don't buy that it is the ark....Don't fit the dinosaurs bones that been found.....I to do not believe they can age things correctly either...And like been said,,The books are always changing from inaccurate answers..... Smokeman.

Not At All, Am saying that most people missunderstand what they are reading, The Torah does not say God created the heavens and the earth on the first day.






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In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. (Here there is no time mentioned, Moses says in the beginning when there was no time line yet, the heavens and the earth were created, the heavens occupies the first place then earth)



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And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.(Here we see that after being created, the earth had no shape and was empty of all life)and that is when God's Spirit hovered over the waters as it says in Hebrew.)who knows how long the earth laid dorment under the waters.





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And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.(Here God Speaks and things begin to become, that being the light, but the word light in the hebrew implies "Life" not just a light like from sun or moon.)



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And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.( Here the time line began to appear and the length of a day measurement)



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And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.( Here we can see that a day is the period between sunset and the next morning, Not as todays calendar suggests a 24 hour period, that is why Jews keep the Sabbath from Sunset to sunrise)


It is very clear then that the earth and the heavens were created outside the time line ,so one cannot say the earth is 6000 or 10,000 years old, that is just plain incorrect.
We by the generational counts since Adam can determined that The earth and this present creation was realise in the month of Thrishi ( September to October) 5766 years ago. The Jewish calendar is off by 200 years lost during the babylonian era.

So that puts us about 40 years from 6000 years of Creation.
determining the age of Enoch(Grandson of adam) and Noah we can then determined the flood about 5000 years ago.
Plenty of time for wood to petrify don't you think.

Yes Creation was done in 6 literal days of approximatley 12 hours not 24 Hours, but the heavens and the earth were created way before that.
We Were created, when Elohim said let there be light, so in fact we were there when everything came to be.

John 1

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. ( So in fact we were created as part of Christ and He is the light of Our Spirits and our existance.)
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

The Word also teaches That God foreknew us before we were borned into flesh, and predestinated us unto salvation.
How Great are the mysteries of God ?

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