History of Pentecost

mr-pirk · 07-01-2006, 08:35 AM

I see where Paul makes several statements about wanting to arrive back in Jerusalem before Pentecost.

What is the history of this day?
Was this a celebration day before Jesus"™ time?
If so what was it in celebration or remembrance of?

Thanks
mr-pirk

Chuck7 · 07-01-2006, 08:44 AM

Mr Pirk,
Surely you must know these answers. Is this a test?

IfI may add one...Is the Baptism of the Holy Ghost available for today??

Your answer to the original question...

The origins of Pentecost are found in the Jewish holiday of Shavuot, which occurs on the sixth day of the Hebrew month of Sivan (corresponding to late May/early June). It marks the conclusion of the Counting of the Omer and the day the Torah was given at Mount Sinai. This feast provides closure for the festival activities during and following the holiday of Passover. In ancient times, the grain harvest lasted seven weeks and was a season of gladness. It began with the offering of the barley during Passover and ended with the offering of the wheat at Shavuot. Thus Shavuot was also the concluding festival of the grain harvest. As part of the Festival of First Fruits, the Hebrews would offer grain, bread or the first ripened fruits at the temple.
The Jewish feast of Shavuot, is also called:
[*]the Feast of Weeks (Deuteronomy 16: 10)[*]the Feast of Harvest (Exodus 23: 16)[*]the day of first-fruits (Numbers 28:26) [/ul]
In the Hellenistic period, the feast was for renewal of the covenant God made with Noah (Gen. 9:8-17).
The name "Pentecost" comes from the Greek word PentÃ©kostÃ©, (fiftieth [day]) since Shavuot occurs 50 days after Passover. As Christians celebrate Passover on Easter Sunday this means that the Christian commemoration of Pentecost occurs on the seventh Sunday after Easter. With respect to the First Fruits it is believed that Jesus' followers who received the Holy Spirit on the Day of Pentecost constituted the 'first fruits' of the redemption paid for in the crucifixion of Jesus.

mr-pirk · 07-01-2006, 09:00 AM

A very good answer Chuck.

Thanks
mr-pirk

mr-pirk · 07-01-2006, 09:01 AM

To answer your question. Most certainly.

Thanks
mr-pirk

motor · 07-01-2006, 10:17 AM

IfI may add one...Is the Baptism of the Holy Ghost available for today??
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you receive the Holy Spirit the moment you are saved..

Chuck7 · 07-01-2006, 10:49 AM

MOtor,
There seemed to be a distiction between the two. What do ya think brother??
C 7

Acts 8:14Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
15Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
16(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
17Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

I know this goes against dispensational teaching brother but I believe this passage of scripture shows that there is a difference.
God bless,
Chuck7

Chuck7 · 07-01-2006, 01:29 PM

Folks ,
I know this can get heavily debated and I don't mind one bit as long as it don't get rude and fleshly. We could all benefit by flipping through our Bibles. I can go 12 pages if ya like...but won't go 1 page of nasty carnal remarks.That is not of God. However; in decency and order I can go a long time,
In Christ Jesus ,
Chuck7
I also plan to use 90% scripture and zero rudeness. We can all benefit from a Bible study.

Alex The Hawk · 07-01-2006, 01:47 PM

The word shavuot literally means "weeks" in Hebrew, and is the Jewish corollary to the Christian Pentecost. According to Leviticus 23:9-14, a sheaf of the first harvested grains is supposed to be offered to God "on the morrow of the Sabbath" - this was eventually interpreted to mean the second day of Passover. From this point, forty-nine days were counted as part of the sephira period such that on the fiftieth day, a new Holy Day was celebrated. For Greek-speaking Jews, this "Festival of the Fiftieth Day" was known as "Pentecost."
Traditionally, two loaves of bread are made from the wheat of this first harvest and they are offered to God as a sacrifice. This day is sometimes referred to as the "feast of weeks" (Deuteronomy 16:10). Because of this connection with the early harvest, Shavuot is also sometimes called "Hag Haquatzir" (Feast of the Harvest - Exodus 23:16 or "Hag Habikkurim (Day of the First Fruits - Numbers 28:26). This period of seven weeks is considered the "omer" period. During this time, farmers are supposed to save the first fruits which ripen for a feast held on Shavuot.
Although Shavuot may have started out simply as an ancient harvest festival, it later took on religious significance during the times of Pharisaic Judaism. Observant Jews believe that Shavuot marks the anniversary of when Moses received the original Ten Commandments from God at Mt. Sinai. Because of this, Shavuot is sometimes referred to as "Zman Matan Toratanu" (the time of the giving of our Torah). Along with saving the early spring harvest for a harvest festival, Jews also prepare themselves for symbolically receiving the Torah when Shavuot arrives.
During Shavuot celebrations, Jews commonly light candles, decorate both homes and synagogues with various forms of greenery (a reference to the early harvest), and specifically eat dairy products (because when the dietary laws were given to them at Mt. Sinai, they did not have the proper tools for preparing meat according to the kosher rules, so they were largely limited to dairy foods). Because the origin of the Torah is also celebrate at this time, some observant Jews stay up all night studying the Torah and many religious schools hold their graduation ceremonies.
The book of Ruth is usually read at this time for a couple of possible reasons. Some believe that this reading is a reference to the tradition that King David was born on Shabuot, and thus reciting the genealogy of David links the day to the expected redemption of the Jewish people through the efforts of a messiah descended through the line of David. Others, however, regard this reading as appropriate because the book describes Ruth's personal commitment to Judaism, an act of faith which is analogous to Israel's commitment to and faith in God when receiving the Torah. As a result of this, the confirmation of young Jews is performed in some synagogues (particularly those in the tradition of Reform Judaism) on this day.
In the kabbalistic tradition, the Shavuot celebration was elevated from a combination harvest celebration and commemoration of the reception of the Torah to a celebration of the mystical union of God and Shekinah (an emanation of God, usually identified as the Holy Spirit).
Also Known As: Hag Haquatzir" (Feast of the Harvest), Hag Habikkurim (Day of the First Fruits), Pentecost (Festival of the Fiftieth Day)

All Feasts of The Torah were fulfilled by Jesus except, The Roshashanah Feast of Trumpets and Succot feast of dwellings.

Given that Thessalonians says that Masshiach wil return at the final trumpet and having much Jewish Scriptures concerning the resurrection, the Jewish sages designate Roshashanah as resurrection day.

Succot(sukot) will be also fulfilled when Masshiach emmanuel comes to live with His people in Person.
Shaom

motor · 07-01-2006, 04:38 PM

There seemed to be a distiction between the two. What do ya think brother??
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Bro. Chuck, i believe they are the same person ..in the verses you quote, there are 4 different groups of believers..the Bapism of ht Holy Spirit as it happened here is never repeated and nowhere does it say that an individual is bapized in the Holy Spirit..
every believer is baptised into the body of Christ the momenthe or she believes..

"For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit." 1 corin.12:12-13 KJV.

There is no record of anyone laying hands on anyone to receive the Holy Spirit or Holy Ghostafter Paul did it at Ephesus..nor is speaking in tongues a sign oif receiving the Holy Ghost.

Chuck7 · 07-01-2006, 05:36 PM

Bro. Chuck, i believe they are the same person ..in the verses you quote, there are 4 different groups of believers..the Bapism of ht Holy Spirit as it happened here is never repeated and nowhere does it say that an individual is bapized in the Holy Spirit..
every believer is baptised into the body of Christ the momenthe or she believes.. Amen...I'm not dogmatic about the pentecostal teaching Motor. I have to look at all the fine men of God through the ages like Billy Graham ,Billy Sunday,Tozer, Charles Finney etc.etc. These men were led of the Holy Ghost and none of them spoke in tongues.
1 Cor. 12:30Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret? However ; I also beleive there are those who have honestly recieved the gift of the Holy Ghost just like Paul and speak in tongues. I know there are counteirfeits bu tI also believe there are teh real deals as well.
"For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit." 1 corin.12:12-13 KJV. Great verse Motor..and my mind is open brother. I know your motives are pure. I like the "Made to drink of one Spirit."

There is no record of anyone laying hands on anyone to receive the Holy Spirit or Holy Ghostafter Paul did it at Ephesus..nor is speaking in tongues a sign oif receiving the Holy Ghost. That one is where we have a difference my brother. And maybe this is why. You do not believe in this so you would not go to a meeting such as this. Just like me..I really have very little understanding of Baptist because I never went to alot of Baptist services. I do now.

Motor..I just looked on the Net.There are many accounts of folks who testify of speaking in tongues. We can either choose to believe them or call them liars or misled.
I appreciate your reply brother. To me it's not a heaven or hell issue but i enjoy flipping through the Word. I really don't find the word dispensation in the Word. Do you happen to know who came up with that doctrine?
Thanks brother,
Chuck7