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Old 05-02-2006, 01:58 PM   #1
 
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I was curious to know I have seen many buildings around and many people I know and interact with regulary doning a symbol for Freemasonry. I have read ALOT about it and so far the only thing I can tell I am not sure I agree with is there ONLY requirment is that you belive in a higher power or being. But they do not specify whom that higher power or being is other than "your God"

http://www.grandlodgeoftexas.org/infopages/whatis.php

Can anyone give me any insight to them and before people start posting negative ideas if they have them...

http://www.masonicinfo.com/religious_objections.htm


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Thank you that did give me some instite...are there anymore views or ideas...
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CUTTING EDGE MINISTRIES
TITLE: MASONRY PROVEN [font=""]CONCLUSIVELY[/font] TO BE WORSHIP OF [font=""]LUCIFER[/font], [font=""]SATAN![/font] Part 1 of 2




[align=center]Good Resources on Freemasonry[/align]

Subtitle: Now, from their own words and symbols, Freemasonry is proven, beyond a shadow of a doubt, to be Satanic to the core! You can be deceived no longer.
Most of the article on Freemasonry below has been taken from Masonic books that have been published by Masonic Publishing Companies, and most of them were formerly very, very secret. We further have taken the Biblical admonition carefully, comparing Masonic teachings to the Holy Bible. In 1 John 4:1, we see this command to all Christians: "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try (test) the spirits whether they are of God: because many false pro[font=""]phets[/font] are gone out into the world." Thus we see that any religious teaching that does not conform to Scripture is from a "false prophet".
This exercise is not an empty one, for your eternal, precious soul is at stake. Finally, remember two things about Masonry: 1) Superior Masons deliberately lie to their fellow Masons, as those Masons "deserve to be mislead"; 2) Explanations given to 95% of all Masons are wrong. Listen to this quote from a Masonic author, Carl Claudy: "Cut through the outer shell and find a meaning; cut through that meaning and find another; under it, if you dig deep enough, you may find a third, a fourth -- who shall say how many teachings?" You have been lied to, as we demonstrate in our many articles. Finally, remember Albert Pike's bold assertion in Morals & Dogma, that "[font=""]Masonry is identical [/font]to [font=""][/font]the ancient Mysteries", which means that all their teachings in all their books are precisely the same as the Ancient, Pagan, Satanic Mysteries! [p. 624, teachings of the 28th Degree]
Please, we implore you, take the time to read our articles so you may finally know the Truth of Jesus Christ, the God of the Universe which Masons contemptuously call an "inferior god", and Whom they never, ever mention in their teachings or their rituals. We fervently pray that the Holy Spirit will illumine your mind, heart, and soul with the knowledge of the true God, and only the true God, of the Holy Bible.
Now, for the first time ever, we shall conclusively prove that Freemasonry is actually a worship of [font=""]Lucifer[/font], the [font=""]Light[/font]-[font=""]Bearer[/font]; of course, since Lucifer and Satan are Biblically the same person, Freemasonry is really the worship of [font=""]Satan[/font]. We shall prove this by quoting their own sources, and depicting their own symbols. In symbols, Freemasonry reveals more about itself than it ever does in its writings; yet, we shall start with their writings, for there you shall find the "[font=""]smoking gun[/font]" [font=""]proof [/font]that Masons worship Lord Satan. Once you comprehend this truth, you shall understand why they have been so anxious all these centuries to keep the lid of secrecy tightly screwed down, for if people really understood that Masonry is a worship of Satan, no one would join, and the citizens of most communities would rise up as one to demand that the organization be completely outlawed. Thus, you have secrets within secrets , just as we have quoted above; further, you have a continuous public relations campaign promoting the lie that Freemasonry is not a religion, and is just a good works social organization.
Now, let us inform you, with their own words, that Freemasons really worship Satan, at the higher levels.
LUCIFER PRAISED AS THE LIGHT-BEARER OF FREEMASONRY
"[font=""]Lucifer[/font], the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! [font=""]Lucifer[/font], the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the [font=""]Light[/font], and with its splendors intolerable, blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish souls? Doubt it not!" [Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, p. 321, 19th Degree of Grand Pontiff; Red Emphasis added]
What a revelation! From the first degree, the first Initiation, the Mason is urged mightily to "seek the Light"! The average Mason is continually saying that he is "seeking the Light", and will spend his entire life "moving toward the Light". Almost every person in Western Civilization will assume that this "Light" is the revelation of the God of the Bible; indeed, this statement is held up continuously to try to convince us that Masonry is Christian. Yet, here, Albert Pike is saying that Lucifer is the One who bears the Light of Freemasonry! [font=""]Lucifer is the Light-bearer of Freemasonry[/font] .
Pike's sentence immediately preceding this one confirms not only that Lucifer is the Light-bearer, but that Masons of previous degrees have been led to believe that the opposite was true. Since the wording of this sentence is a little arcane [understood only by those with special knowledge], I asked former Illuminist Satanist Doc Marquis, for his explanation. But, we are getting a little ahead of ourselves now; let us examine this sentence.
"The Apocalypse is, to those who receive the nineteenth Degree, the Apotheosis of that Sublime Faith which aspires to God Alone, and despises all the pomps and works of Lucifer." [Ibid.]
At first glance, this sentence seems to contradict the one we first quoted above, where Pike identifies Lucifer as the Masonic Light-bearer. However when you understand the esoteric explanation from Doc Marquis, your understanding clears up completely.
First, Pike identifies the Apocalypse as being the Book of Revelation written by the Apostle John. Then, Pike states that other, similar books from other religions, are just as 'inspired' as Revelation, mentioning Plato, Philo, the Sephar Yezirah, and the Sohar. Pike says all three of these books -- Apocalypse [Revelation], the Sephar Yezirah, and the Sohar, are all identically "inspired". Since these latter two books are of non-Christian faiths, Pike is saying that the contents of Revelation are no big deal. Therefore, it is no big deal that the Book of Revelation denigrates the "pomp and works" of Satan, since the God of that book is known to hate Satan.
Then, Pike says that these three books "are the completest embodiment of Occultism". [Ibid.] Now, we understand that Pike views the God of the Apocalypse as being the opposite but equal to Satan, just as typical Occultists believe and teach!
Secondly, Doc Marquis provides the esoteric, occultic, explanation. Pike is also saying in this sentence that, in the previous 18 degrees, Masons believed that God was the Light-bearer, but now, in this 19th Degree, Pike is giving them new revelation. This insight completely squares with stated Masonic policy of deliberately misleading Masons in the lower degrees until they were really ready for the "truth". This is the truth -- [font=""]Masonry worships Lucifer[/font] .
PIKE'S TYPICAL SATANIC PHRASE -- OUT WHERE EVERYONE CAN SEE
Pike then gives concrete evidence of Freemason's worship of Satan/Lucifer on the very front of the cover of Morals and Dogma ! Below the round seal of "God", Pike writes a phrase written in Latin, which proves to be a typical Satanic phrase. One look at this phrase would alert any Satanist that the contents of this book are Satanic! A Satanist would also understand immediately that all of Freemasonry is Satanic.
What is this phrase? "DEUS MEUMQUE JUS" The literal meaning is "God and My Right"
Doc Marquis says this statement is a very typical one within Satanism. It has two meanings, one within the other. First, this phrase means that the Freemason can depend upon their God to determine their Right and Justice. Secondly, since the God of Freemasonry is Lucifer, Masons are saying that they are "using occult methods", through Lucifer, to achieve their Rights and Justice. Marquis says that this phrase is [font=""]very powerful [/font]and [font=""]very dangerous [/font]within Satanism. The second a Satanist sees this phrase in Latin on Pike's book, he knows the material within is Satanism, without reading a word!
"SEETHING ENERGIES OF LUCIFER WITHIN YOUR HANDS"!
"The day has come when Fellow Craftsman must know and apply their knowledge. The lost key to their grade is the mastery of emotion , which places the energy of the universe at their disposal. Man can only expect to be entrusted with great power by proving his ability to use it constructively and selflessly. When the [font=""]Mason[/font] learns that the key to the warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the mystery of his Craft. The [font=""]seething [/font][font=""]energies of Lucifer [/font]are in his hands, and before he may step onward and upward, he must prove his ability to properly apply energy. He must follow in the footsteps of his forefather, [font=""]Tubal-Cain[/font], who with the mighty strength of the war god hammered his sword into a plowshare." [Manly P. Hall, 33rd Degree, K.T., The Lost Keys of Freemasonry or The Secret of Hiram Abiff , Forward by Reynold E. Blight, 33rd Degree, K.T., Illustrations by J. Augustus Knapp, 32nd Degree, Macoy Publishing and Masonic Supply Company, Inc., Richmond, Virginia, p. 48; Emphasis Added]
This statement is the most bold and concise anyone can create in the English language! It boldly states that, once the Mason learns to control his emotion, and to properly apply the "dynamo of living power", he can be assured of being able to control the "[font=""]seething [/font][font=""]energies of Lucifer" in his hands. Further, he admits that Masonry is the Craft, the old name for Witchcraft! Further, all Satanists are assured that, if they will join the coven and learn the Craft, he will control the supernatural power of Satan, just as Manly P. Hall is promising here. [/font]
[font=""]This is most powerful proof that Freemasonry is Satanism, because its language is direct and clear, not cluttered with deliberately confusing arcane language that only an insider can understand. Further, note that Hall and Reynold E. Blight are 33rd Degree Masons, while the Illustrator is 32nd Degree. Macoy Publishing Company is also one of the most respected of all Masonic Publishing Houses.[/font]
[font=""][/font]REVELATIONS OF TUBAL-CAIN
[font=""][/font]But, the revelations from this paragraph are not finished yet. Note that Hall makes reference to Tubal-Cain, above. Let us review this sentence, as it also reveals Satanism. The Mason must "follow in the footsteps of his forefather, Tubal-Cain, who with the mighty strength of the war god hammered his sword into a plowshare." In the Masonic Quiz Book, the candidate is asked this question: "Who was [font=""]Tubal Cain[/font]?" Answer: "He is the [font=""]Vulcan of the pagans[/font]." [William P. Peterson, Editor, Masonic Quiz Book: "Ask Me Brother", Chicago, Illinois, Charles T. Power Company, 1950, p. 18, 88, 131, 213; also found in John Yarker, The Arcane Schools: A Review of their Origin and Antiquity: With a General History of Freemasonry and Its Relation to the Theosophic Scientific and Philosophic Mysteries, Belfast, Ireland, William Tait, 1909, p. 30; also found in A. R. Chambers, Editor, Questions and Answers, 1972, p. 237; also found in Malcom Duncan, Duncan's Ritual of Freemasonry , New York, David McKay Company, Inc., n.d. 3rd Edition, p. 94.]
In fact, in the Third Degree of Master Mason, Tubal-Cain is the password given.
Other than identifying Freemasonry with paganism in this sentence, what is the meaning of the [font=""]Vulcan of the pagans[/font]? This question is very important, because Manly P. Hall advises the Mason that, once he has the seething energies of Lucifer in his hands, he is to walk in Tubal-Cain's footsteps. Hall makes it sound like Tubal-Cain is one of the Greek gods, does he not? And, we know conclusively that Tubal-Cain is Vulcan of the Pagans. Let us review who [font=""]Vulcan of the pagans [/font]is, by looking within occult sources.
"Vulcan was a sun deity who was associated with fire, thunderbolts and light. The festival in honor of him was called the Vulcania in which [font=""]human sacrifices [/font]were offered." [Percival George Woodcock, Short Dictionary of Mythology, New York, Philosophical Library, p. 152]. "According to Diel, he bears a family relationship to the [font=""]Christian devil[/font]." [J.E. Cirlot, translated by Jack Sage, A Dictionary of Symbols , New York, Dorset Press, 1991, p. 362]. "It is fascinating to know that he married Venus, another name for [font=""]Lucifer or the devil[/font] ." [Woodcock, op. cit., p. 150-151; Emphasis added]
Wow! In one fell swoop, we learn that Manly P. Hall tells the Mason that he can have the [font=""]seething energies of Lucifer [/font]in his hands, and then tells him to follow in the footsteps of the "[font=""]Christian devil[/font]", to whom "[font=""]human sacrifices[/font] " are offered!
THE INFERNAL NAMES
By now, even the most hardened of skeptics should be convinced that Freemasonry is Lucifer/Satan worship. However, for those who may still need more convincing, let us consider the Infernal Names by which Masonry masks its many references to Satan. In the Satanic Bible, we see 77 names by which pagans have referred to Satan over the centuries. Let us quickly review some of the "Infernal Names" of Satanism found within Masonry. [Satanic Bible, Anton LaVey, p. 144-46]
We shall list the Freemason teaching on each of these names, and then the explanation.
[font=""]Baphomet -- "The Gnostics held that it [universal agent] composed the igneous [pertaining to fire] body of the Holy Spirit, and it was adored in the secret rites of the Sabbat or the Temple under the hieroglyphic figure of [font=""]Baphomet [/font]or the hermaphroditic [font=""]goat of Mendes [/font]." [Pike, op. cit., p. 734, teaching of the 28th Degree; Emphasis added][/font]
[font=""][/font]We find it absolutely incredible that the Freemasons should portray the Holy Spirit with the Satanic symbol, [font=""]Baphomet[/font] !
[font=""]This symbol was created by one of the foremost Satanists and Freemasons of all time, Eliphas Levi. Over the centuries, it has been recognized as one of the most evil of all symbols. As you look closely at Baphomet, you will see the emphasis is on sex, as this Being is androgynous -- both male and female -- you can see it has the breasts of a woman, and an erect phallus. In fact, two serpents are shown coiled around the erect phallus, a phallus that looks suspiciously large. This Being has the head of the "Horned Goat" another title for Satan. In the book, Masonic and Occult Symbols Illustrated, Dr. Burns says, "In a book on witchcraft, The Complete Book of Witchcraft and Demonology ... the caption states that he is 'the horned god of the witches, symbol of sex incarnate'." [p. 51] If you look carefully, you will see [font=""]Baphomet[/font] making the sign of the Devil's triad with his right hand. "[font=""]Baphomet[/font] is also known as the Sabbatic goat, in whose form Satan is to be worshipped at the Witches' Sabbath". [Frank Gaynor, Dictionary of Mysticism, New York, Philosophical Library, 1953, p. 24][/font]
[font=""][/font]Then, we discovered that [font=""]Baphomet [/font]is officially approved as a symbol of the Church of Satan [The Occult Emporium, Winter , 1993-1994, p. 54] and that it is worn by the Priest of Satan [Ibid., 1990-1991, p. 26]
[font=""][/font]Since Albert Pike linked [font=""]Baphomet [/font]with the [font=""]Goat of Mendes[/font] , we will show this obviously Satanic symbol, as well. Look carefully at this very Satanic Pentagram, because Freemasonry makes huge use of Pentagrams. Look at the pentagrams we show below. This Pentagram is used by the Eastern Star, which is the Freemason division for women! Once again, Masonry utilizes a very evil Satanic symbol for the Order that trains its young, impressionable girls. Why didn't Masonry at least utilize the "Good Star" with one point up, rather than the most evil 5-pointed star, this Goats Head of Mendes? Truly, their use of this symbol tells us exactly that they are evil through and through, even to their own young girls.
We discovered this symbol at a Wiccan site for jewelry. They were chortling over the fact that the Masonic Ring Emblem was really a disguised Pentagram! As you can see, the figure on the left is the typical Masonic Ring symbol, with the compass, square, and rule. The figure on the right depicts the full figure from which the Ring symbol was taken. If you look closely, you can see two 5-pointed stars. One of them is colored darker than the other. The darker shade Pentagram is the 2-points-up Evil Pentagram depicting Satan, while the other, lighter shaded Pentagram is the 1-point-up Good Star, depicting Lucifer. [See the Lucifer-Satan Pentagram explanation, below].
From this depiction, you can see that the Masonic Ring symbol is just a disguised Pentagram, with both the "Good" and "Evil" stars represented! In other words, this Wiccan site is trumpeting to the world that Freemasonry serves both the good Lucifer and the evil Satan!
[font=""]Thoth[/font] -- "The first HERMES was the Intelligence or Word of God. Moved with compassion for a race living without law ... God sent to man Osiris and Isis, accompanied by [font=""][font=""]THOTH[/font][font=""],[/font] [/font]the incarnation or terrestrial repetition of the first HERMES; who taught men the arts, science, and the ceremonies of religion; and then ascended to Heaven or the Moon." [Pike, Morals and Dogma, p. 255, 17th Degree, Knights of the East and West; Emphasis was in the original].
The founder of the House of Theosophy, Helena Petrovna Blavatsky, whose books were all written by her demonic Guiding Spirits in a form we call Automatic Writing, ties [font=""]Thoth [/font]together for us nicely. "... Hermes, the god of wisdom, called also Thoth, Tat, Set, Set, and [font=""]Sat-an[/font]; and that he was, furthermore, when viewed under his bad aspect, [font=""]Typhon[/font], the [font=""]Egyptian Satan[/font] , who was also Set." [Helena Petrovna Blavatsky, Isis Unveiled , Vol. I: Science, New York, Trow's Printing and Bookbinding Company, 1877, p. 554, xxxiii. Colored Emphasis added]
I find it highly interesting that Blavatsky, like Anton LaVey in the Satanic Bible, had no trouble tying the Infernal Name, [font=""]Thoth[/font], with [font=""]Satan[/font], and especially the [font=""]Egyptian Satan[/font] ! Remember Pike's words, quoted in the very beginning, that "Masonry is identical to the ancient Mysteries"! This statement means that the Freemasons believe the same as all the Ancient Mysteries and worship the same god, Satan, albeit under different names.
Since Blavatsky mentioned another of the Infernal Names, [font=""]Typhon[/font], and has identified him as the Egyptian Satan, let us review Albert Pike once again, as we discover that Freemasonry reveres [font=""]Typhon [/font]as well.
[font=""]Typhon [/font]-- "Osiris was the son of Helios (Phra) the 'divine offspring congenerate with the dawn' and at the same time an incarnation of Kneph or Agathodaemon, the Good Spirit, including all his possible manifestations, either physical or moral. He represented in a familiar form the beneficent aspect of all higher emanations and in him was developed the conception of a Being purely good, so that it became necessary to set up another power as his adversary, called Seth, Baby, or [font=""]Typhon[/font] to account for the injurious influences of Nature." [Pike, op. cit., p. 588, Teachings of the 28th Degree, Knight of the Sun, or Prince Adept].
Once again, we can see the occult, Satanic doctrine that all of Nature is composed of good and evil, black and white, opposites that are equal but opposite. Folks, this is pure Satanism, and Albert Pike has just espoused it, explaining that nature could not allow the all-loving, all-good Osiris to exist without an evil counterpart. In fact, Satanism and Freemasonry both share the same, very revealing, symbol to depict this situation. Quoting from Masonic sources, we provide you with this picture.

In these symbols, the left-hand Pentagram surrounded by the magic circle is [font=""]Lucifer[/font] -- the good god -- with the one point upward and two down; the right-hand Pentagram, again surrounded by the magic circle, is [font=""]Satan[/font] -- the evil god -- with the two points up and the one down. These symbols depict exactly what Albert Pike is talking about in the paragraph above! He says that the evil god, whom he calls [font=""]Seth [/font]or [font=""]Typhon[/font] [[font=""]Typhon[/font] is listed in The Satanic Bible as Infernal Names for [font=""]Satan[/font]] is the adversary of the good god, [font=""]Osiris[/font]; therefore, Pike is saying [font=""]Osiris is Lucifer[/font] , a finding consistent with the rest of the Occult realm.
[Above symbols taken from: Arthur Edward Waite, The Mysteries Of Magic: A Digest of the Writings of Eliphas Levi, Chicago, DeLaurence, Scott, and Company, Inc., 1966 Edition, 1909, p. 223 -- NOTE: Waite is a Freemason author!; also shown in D. Duane Winters, A Search For Light In A Place of Darkness: A Study of Freemasonry , p. 69.]
With this symbol in mind, we find it highly interesting that the Masonic street layout for Washington, D.C., which we cover in great detail in NEWS1081, is laid out in the form of the "[font=""]evil Pentagram [/font]on the right, the symbol for [font=""]Satan[/font], also known as the [font=""]Goats Head of Mendes[/font] ! Therefore, the Masonic Plan for the United States is one of evil, even in their own minds, not good. We will print out this street layout for you now, but we encourage you to read the full details in NEWS1081.

[font=""]Pan[/font] -- "... Satan is not a black god, but negation of God ... this is not a Person, but a Force, created for good, but which may represent evil. It is the instrument of Liberty or Free Will. They represent this Force ... under the mythologic and horned form of the God [font=""]Pan[/font]; thence came the he-goat of the Sabbat, brother of the [font=""]Ancient Serpent[/font], and the [font=""]Light-bearer [/font]..." [Pike, Morals and Dogma, p. 102]
Since The Satanic Bible lists [font=""]Pan [/font]as one of the Infernal Names of Satan, we need to look further into the Occult [font=""]for more information on Pan. However, we now know that, [/font][font=""]from Pan came the he-goat of the Sabbat, brother of the Serpent[/font], and the [font=""]Light-bearer, [Lucifer][/font] , because Albert Pike, the #1 Freemason of all history, has just told us!
Time and space constraints prohibit us from going any further into this most interesting, and revealing, study of Freemasonry. We hope and pray that this material, plus the prompting of the Holy Spirit, has revealed to you the truth of the religious nature of Masonry. Truly, this organization is one of the most deceptive in world history. Listen to New Age author, Bill Cooper, describe Freemasonry. Cooper was a member of Demolay during his youth, and later, spent over 20 years in Naval Intelligence. He is most familiar with the organizations which are driving the world into the New World Order and the appearance of its Messiah, the Biblical Antichrist.
"I tell you now that Freemasonry is one of the most wicked and terrible organizations upon this earth. The Masons are major players in the struggle for world domination. The 33rd Degree is split into two. One split contains the core of the Luciferian Illuminati and the other contains those who have no knowledge of it whatsoever." [Behold A Pale Horse , p. 78]
Over the years since I read Cooper's book, I have verified the vast majority of the information contained therein. Even the former Illuminist Witch, Doc Marquis, keeps this book on his shelf. If you want to speak to Doc about the veracity of this information, you may call him at Christians Exposing The Occult , P.O. Box 632436, Nacogdoches, TX 75963-2436, or call him at 409-552-7313. Doc even has many of the super secret books, called Esoteric books, of Freemasonry, including many written in code. Doc verifies Cooper's statement, above.
Now that you know the truth about Freemasonry, you must come to a personal decision. Now that you know you have been mislead by your own superiors in The Craft, you must decide whether to follow Jesus Christ or Freemasonry. Your eternal destination is at stake. You should be able to hear the words of Joshua ringing in your ears. "And if it seem evil unto you to serve the [font=""]LORD[/font] , choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the [font=""]LORD[/font]." [Joshua 24:15] As we have demonstrated, [font=""]Freemasonry is "identical to the Mysteries[/font] "; therefore, Masonry is identical to the Egyptian gods from which the God of the Bible freed the Israelites, and identical to the gods of the Amorites, against whom Joshua was railing.
Once again, listen to the challenge of Joshua: "... choose you this day whom ye will serve". Hopefully, your answer will be the same as Joshua: "... [font=""]but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD[/font] ."
If you have accepted Jesus Christ as your personal Savior, but have been very lukewarm in your spiritual walk with Him, you need to immediately ask Him for forgiveness and for renewal. He will instantly forgive you, and fill your heart with the joy of the Holy Spirit. Then, you need to begin a daily walk of prayer and personal Bible Study.
If you have never accepted Jesus Christ as Savior, but have come to realize His reality and the approaching End of the Age, and want to accept His FREE Gift of Eternal Life, you can also do so now, in the privacy of your home. Once you accept Him as Savior, you are spiritually Born Again, and are as assured of Heaven as if you were already there. Then, you can rest assured that the Kingdom of Antichrist will not touch you spiritually.
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I spoke with a fellow Mason the other day ask a few questions...here are the responses I got...

Many Masons refer to seeking the light, what is the light and who is the light bearer?
1)Seeking Light: Masons refer to light as knowledge. We seek more light or Knowledge by reading our Bibles and Studying other books.
I asked who Baphomet was, and why the drawing of Eliphas Levi was seen though so many Mason depictions?
2)I have never heard of Elipas Levis and yesterday I asked (3) other masons if they knew of him. They all said no. But, with the internet, I am sure you call find all you wanted to know about him.
I asked about there Three main points and what each was if Mason was not a religion?
3)The functions are simple; Learn to be better as a human (Education). Worship in your Church or place of faith (Worship), and help the poor and penniless people of the world (Charity).

Who or what is G.A.O.T.U. and how can a christian be part of something that places others Deitys right with the Word of God?
4)G.A.O.T.U. = Grand Architect of the Universe Also known as God, Lord, or Father. Another expression for God.
5)Christian and Jews take the oath upon the Holy Bible. Muslins upon the Koran, and other faiths upon their book of faith. I have never seen it done other than the Bible. I know that Lubbock Lodge has Muslins members and they do use the Koran.
6)In reality you do not have to be a Christian to be a Mason. Jews are masons. However, you do have to declare a belief in Deity. Since I am a Christian, I declare a belief in God.

Who is Hiram Abief?
7)Hiram Abief: One of the first Three Grand Master of Masonery. Reading in your Bible, you will read that King Soloman and others built the temple to the Lord. Hiram Abief was one of the others. This is where masonery started during the building of the Temple.

And this last part I copied the posting from emfc.com and sent it to him about the Entered Apprentice ritual and how it related to a re-birth or plan of salvation.
8)The last part of the e-mail reminds me of a person who was a Mason and now is not now for some reason. He is mad so he is going on the internet and tell everyone about the degrees. He did an fair account of one part of the Master"s degree. In Texas, parts of it is different. He proceeds to tell it as if it is a re-birth and we should denounce the church. Nothing further from the truth. I have never felt it to be a re-birth and if I felt as thought masonery is to replace my faith, then I am out of it. I have never known Masonery to ask someone to leave their faith; but I have known of several faiths that have asked their members to leave the masons. To me, it is sad that masons get mad at each other and then spend all their time telling people that masonery is bad. Why, don"t they spend that time tell people that we masons spend (2) million dollars a day in the United States alone on charity. Why don"t they tell people that our motto is "To take good men and make them better". Why don"t they tell people that through masonery you will have friends who are willing to help you if you ask and are in need anytime of the day and all over the World.
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Old 05-04-2006, 08:00 AM   #6
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I'll admit I know almost nothing about the masons beliefs. I will say this though, my neighbor is a mason and a catholic who attends church regularly.You won't meet a finer person. George Washington was also a mason and I'd say he was a pretty good man too. So I'd have to say from my limited experience that masons are not something to fear. From what I've seen, I'd have to say I admire them.
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I also found this on a website

"Yet that scripture itself admonishes Christians to seek knowledge, and totally supports the Masonic dedication to charity. Christian Masons can take comfort from the second epistle of Peter 1:5-7: "And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity." A good summary of Masonic belief."

Baphomet - http://www.masonicinfo.com/baphomet.htm

Luciefer Quotes of Albert Pike.. - http://www.masonicinfo.com/lucifer.htm

Other Objections and their (Masons) responses - http://www.masonicinfo.com/contents.htm


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I don't know a whole lot about the Masons (and I have family and friends that are members), but from what I do know, here's enough to keep me away.

1: Secrecy--as I said, I have family and friends that are Masons, and they don't--WON"T--talk about it. Matthew 5 and Luke 11 tell us that we should let our lights shine, not hide them.

2: Taking Oaths--this practice is wrong according to the Bible in Matthew 5, 23, and 26; also Markchapter 14 and James chapter 5.

Any organization that requires a practice that blatently goes against what the Bible teaches is not one I'd be a member of.

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I am a Mason and I have no problem answering questions. As Bro. Ben Franklin once said "The only secret about Freemasonary is that there are no secrets.". It's a private Fraternity, I will grant you that. The "secrets" if you want to call them are the handshakes, steps and signs Masons use to identify one another as brothers. This comes from the history of Freemasonary. Acient Stone Builders (Masons) used grips and passwords to show their level of building skills and identify themselves to other stonebuilders, when seeking work. We do the same when we visit other lodges or meet people on the street. In 1717 the 4 lodges of England joined and formed the first Grand Lodge of England and that is when "Freemasonary" began and forked off from the acient Stonebuilders guilds. I find it funny people say it's secret, yet every person I know that is a Mason has symbols on their cars, wear rings and admit to being a Mason. As for taking oaths, you are miss understanding the Bible, IMHO. In the time the Bible was written people would swear an oath on anything then break it. The bible teaches, IMHO, not to take oaths lightly. As a matter of fact Jesus took an oath on himself, and it is in the bible. Since I'm at work right now I can't look up the exact passage but I can find that out for you later. I have read what Levelgrape has written and think he is finding out good information. If people really want to know what Freemasonary is about I suggest reading the "Dummies guide to freemasonary.". I've read it and it has answered all my questions and questions people have asked me. By the way I am christian (Episcopal, if you really need to know).
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Any organization that requires a practice that blatently goes against what the Bible teaches is not one I'd be a member of.

I couldn't agree with you more. Good thing most of what Masons are taught comes from the Bible. Heck I was even given an Authorized King James version of the Bible when I became a Master Mason. One of the first things you learn as a Mason are:

1. Your religion comes before the fraternity

2. Your family comes before the fraternity

3. The laws of your country come before the fraternity.
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