Reading this today, and it concerns, David, the ark, and Nathaniel prophesizing. In verse 14, this struck me funny. Is this our Jesus the Christ? Jesus was sinless?
11 and have done ever since the time I appointed leaders [a] over my people Israel. I will also give you rest from all your enemies.
" 'The LORD declares to you that the LORD himself will establish a house for you: 12 When your days are over and you rest with your fathers, I will raise up your offspring to succeed you, who will come from your own body, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He is the one who will build a house for my Name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. 14 I will be his father, and he will be my son. When he does wrong, I will punish him with the rod of men, with floggings inflicted by men. 15 But my love will never be taken away from him, as I took it away from Saul, whom I removed from before you. 16 Your house and your kingdom will endure forever before me [b] ; your throne will be established forever.' "
I was talking with a pastor who is also a theologin and greek and Hebrew expert, and he was telling me it not only is solomon but the whole line of David he is referring too. Including Jesus, but Jesus would be the ultimate Son/Deity.
bigcountry; I question how "expert" your expert really is. The bible records the linage of christ, not through all of Davids children, but through Soloman alone.
Everybody is welcome to post holes thru the pastor's interpretations, I just would like to discuss it. Not just poke holes thru it.
Here is John Wesley's approach to verse 14
His father - I will carry myself towards him as a father, with all affection, and I will own him as my son. This is intended both of Solomon, as a type of Christ; and of Christ himself as is evident from Hebrews 1:5.If he commit - This agrees only to Solomon and some others of David's posterity; but not to Christ, who never committed iniquity, as Solomon did, who therein was no type of Christ, and therefore this branch is terminated in Solomon; whereas in those things wherein Solomon was a type of Christ, the sense passes through Solomon to Christ. Rod of men - With such rods as are gentle and moderate, and suited to man's weakness
Here is Matthew Henry's thoughts
Blessings are promised to the family and posterity of David. These promises relate to Solomon, David's immediate successor, and the royal line of Judah. But they also relate to Christ, who is often called David and the Son of David. To him God gave all power in heaven and earth, with authority to execute judgment. He was to build the gospel temple, a house for God's name; the spiritual temple of true believers, to be a habitation of God through the Spirit. The establishing of his house, his throne, and his kingdom for ever, can be applied to no other than to Christ and his kingdom: David's house and kingdom long since came to an end. The committing iniquity cannot be applied to the Messiah himself, but to his spiritual seed; true believers have infirmities, for which they must expect to be corrected, though they are not cast off.
BC, I've also heard people say that it was prophetic concerning Solomon and Jesus both.
Jesus was punished because he became sin, not because he did wrong. He wasn't spared the floggings by men or the wrath of God, because he was made sin.
Guys...honestly, was David's kingdom established forever through Solomon? Where is it now? It doesn't exist...except through Jesus Christ. So if the passage is pertaining to only Solomon, and not him and Christ both, then this prophecy is false...or God was wrong.
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