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Old 04-18-2006, 09:26 AM   #1
 
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Default Pope Decides In Favor Of God's Enemies.

Pope pleads for Palestine
By Stan Goodenough
April 17th, 2006
According to the Jewish and Christian Scriptures, the God of Abraham,
Isaac and Israel gave the Land of Israel and in particular the mountains
of Samaria and Judea, forever and exclusively to the people born into
that bloodline.
Nor does the biblical narrative deal sparingly with this issue, but
devotes extensive detail in numerous passages to it. The heavenly
granting of this land to this specific nation is described as having
been done as, among other things, an "everlasting covenant," an "oath"
and a "statute."
A statute is defined in the Oxford English Dictionary as "a divine law."
But to Pope Benedictus XVI "“ previously known as the German Cardinal
Joseph Ratzinger but now bearing the title "Vicar of Christ" and "God's
representative on earth" "“ mankind today is no longer bound by this
law.
Using his Easter message Sunday, the pontiff called on his 1.1 billion
followers to support the combined Muslim and Arab effort to (initially)
take part of that land for themselves and out of it carve a Palestinian
state.
While the Palestinian Arabs openly admit that they see obtaining the
"occupied territories" as just a first step towards taking all the Land
of Israel for themselves, Ratzinger is either oblivious to this or
chooses to ignore it.
"May the international community "¦ assist the Palestinian people to
overcome the precarious conditions in which they live and to build their
future, moving towards the constitution of a state that is truly their
own," he entreated.
His influential plea went out to millions of television viewers in 65
different countries. If heeded by the majority of his flock, a billion
plus Roman Catholics will now be lining up with the world's 1.3 billion
Muslims on this issue.
Small wonder the Jews of Israel have increasingly surrendered to what
they see as the inevitable and irreversible theft of their land.
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Based strictly on history...

Why would it surprise anyone to see the Pope choose to ignore Scripture?


Israel, as a nation in today's world, needs to make some serious effort at maturing. Like any other nation ruled by men, Israel has made a few serious blunders. The newest suggested blunder is ceding territory.

Yes, Alex...I know the US needs to grow the heck up, too.
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I found a lot of blogs and editorials but I can't even find Catholic releases.
I'll get it later.I got to plant onions and beets.
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Pope

"I also pray sincerely that those caught up in the conflict in the Holy Land may find peace, and I invite all to patient and persevering dialogue, so as to remove both ancient and new obstacles. May the international community, which re-affirms Israel"™s just right to exist in peace, assist the Palestinian people to overcome the precarious conditions in which they live and to build their future, moving towards the constitution of a state that is truly their own."

Did this guy have a devine revelation to know God'd will at this time?

If he has a beef I would suggest he address it to the Government of Israel and the neo cons inWashington.

I am a little tired tonight, busy day. I don't have time for any more of this kind of contrived crap tonight.

Good night and God Bless
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maybe it's me... and yes, people can be forgiven...............
..but for pete's sake.................
the man was a NAZI............not a wannabe....the real deal.... you can repent from actions done, but can you repent from an Idealology that was FORCIBLY removed from exsistence..?one that you were an OFFICER in?


That's what I question...
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No, I am confused,who are we talking about??
The pope ????
He was born in 1927,that makes him 12 years old in 39,Nazi ?WHAT KIND OF FILTH HAVE YOU BEEN READING OR LISTENING TOO.
toward the end of the war he was in a aux defence unit.
Can't you people do anything with out spewing lies.
I am praying for the whole bunch of you.I would suggest you read about false witness

http://www.bc.edu/research/cjl/meta-elements/texts/cjrelations/topics/new_pope_defied_nazis.htm
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The geographic "Israel" has no bearing on Gods Plan. As with the geographic "Jerusalem" , the land called "Israel" is no more Holy, than Hollywood is. "Israel" is Gods Holy Church, that is those who known Jesus Christ as Saviour, for in Jesus there is No Jew, or Gentile, for to be considered a True Jew, one musthave their hearts circumcised with the Way of Jesus. We who are Chosen of God, will dwell in the New Jerusalem that will come from Above, not to be mistaken with the geographic Jerusalem of this world, which will perish.

Also it should be pointed the the true enemies of God are not defined by race, but rather the true enemies of God are those who claim that Jesus Christ is not Lord. A Palestinian who knows Jesus as Lord and Saviour, will enter Heaven, while a Jew of race, who denies Jesus will not, for in Gods eyes, A Palestinian who believes is a true Jew.
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We come now to something that is crucial and needs to be defined to understand the new covenant. Is the Church Israel? For if it is ,we are obligated to keep Sabbath day at least in a general sense. If the Church is not Israel then what sense would there be to keep the Sabbath. Scripturally we find the Church is not Israel the nation but a separate entity under an entirely new covenant. Israel is called the wife of Jehovah, while the Church is called the bride of Christ, showing distinctions in how God relates to each. The word Israel is always descriptive of the physical descendants of Abraham, Issac and Jacob. It was Jacob who"™s name was changed to Israel and had 12 sons that became that nation.
Many transfer the promises and the covenants to Israel to the Church, but there is absolutely no reason to do this. The Church is not spiritual Israel. Look it up you"™ll never find the term or concept in the Bible. There are only two verses that are used to validate this view, both are unsupported in their context.
Gal.3:29 says that those who belong to Christ are Abraham"™s seed. The seed of Abraham does not mean one is Israel. It Means those who are justified by faith are spiritual descendants of Abraham but this does not make them descendants of Jacob who is Israel. They partake in the spiritual blessings that come through Israel. While there are two different groups of people who can be descendants of Abraham one of which is the Arabs, they do not share in the promises of Jacob. Only Israel is descended from the physical posterity of Jacob.
The other verse is Gal.6:16 where Paul is addressing both believing Jews and Gentiles in the church "As many as walk according to this rule (Gentile believers) and upon "the Israel of God." In its context this term means Jews who are believers, who believe salvation is by faith in Christ contrary to what the Judaizers were teaching that the law was needed also. Paul also addresses this in Rom.9:6-8 that there are two Israel's, one that consists of Jews and the elect, the true Israel which are the physical posterity and also have the faith of Abraham, they are the Israel of God mentioned in Gal.6. As Paul states, " for they are not all Israel who are of Israel." (Rom.9:6). There is also "Israel" after the flesh found in 1 Cor.10:18. The Church is never called spiritual Israel or is a new Israel replacing the old. Nor does it say believers become Jews. Both gentiles and Jews participate together in the New Covenant. as Eph 2 addresses the middle wall of partition being broken down and God makeing a new entity.
In the N.T we have three terms used alongside each other, Israel, Gentiles and the Church. The Church consists of both believing Gentiles and Jews while Israel as a nation is in unbelief as are the Gentiles. The Church and Israel are two distinct groups and God has a different program for each. Both are brought in make up the body of Christ. The name Israel is used 20 times and the church 19 times in the book of Acts, both are kept distinct While there is no difference in salvation for both, Gods plans are different for each. In the book of Acts Israel and the church exist alongside each other, nowhere is the church called the new or spiritual Israel.There are certain areas the differences of Jew and gentile are erased but in all areas.Such as we becoming one in Christ all the same way 1 Cor.12:13 , according to the NT a Jew is one that is not only outwardly by the flesh but inwardly,this obviously can't be for a gentile so for a gentile. there is no such thing as a spiritual Jew from the inside only, but there is such a thing as spiritual gentiles.
If you claim to be Israel then you were cut off according to Romans.11. And where the natural branch once was, God grafted in unnatural ones the Gentiles. It doesn't get any clearer. The teaching of God abandoning Israel the nation or replaced by the Church did quite well for almost 1,500 hundred years until he actually gave them back their land AND STARTED TO REGATHER THEM FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD JUST AS HE SAID HE WOULD. God said in Neh. 1:8 if you are unfaithful I will scatter you.' but he also said...
Jer.30:18, 31:8 "Behold I will bring them from the north country and gather them from the ends of the earth."
Isa.43:5 I will bring your descendants from the east and gather you from the west...
It is a nation that is being gathered today for the tribulation, they are gathered first in unbelief until that fateful day where in Romans 11 Paul says they will all be saved after the fullness of the gentiles has come in. The Church is dealt with differently than the nation of Israel, God has a differnt plan for both.
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