Certain religous groups that teach that Salvation is contingent upon being baptized in water by their "elders" also teach that one can lose this salvation. My question is, if this salvation is lost, how is it lost?.
Another question is, can this salvation be regained???? If so, by what method???. Is re-salvation also contingent upon being baptized by an authorized elder of a certain sect, or group, or can any water, and baptizer do???
Another question is, can there be multiple loses, and regaining of salvation???. How would this work???. Is there a cut off on how many times a person can be saved, and lost?????
My question is, if this salvation is lost, how is it lost?.
1John 5:13
[13] These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
Eternal life means forever!For those that Believe in Him!
John10:29
[29] My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
Romans 8:38-39
[38] For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
[39] Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Eph.1:7
[7] In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
Heb 6:4-6
[4] For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
[5] And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
[6] If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Heb10:26-27
[26] For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
[27] But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
1John2:19
[19] They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
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Live Life in such a way that those who do not know Christ will come to know Him because they know you
This is one of those threads like: Tongues, Baptism, Exorcisms, Music in church... You'll get a thousand different answers... but the only right that is going to be correct is mine...... And I'm not going to respond!
mgman; Instead of putting out leading questions so you have the loaded gun when you reply, just state for us what YOU believe. I am sure you will get plenty of response.
Yes mg you can lose your saved condition. I don't know of any CoC that requires you being baptized by an elder, as far as that goes I don't know of any requirements for the baptizer even mentioned in the bible, I think the devil himself could do the baptizing and it it would be recoginized, I don't know where you get your funny ideas at about the CoC but they are way out in left field and twisted very badly by you.
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THE NRA, WHERE WOULD YOU AS A GUN-OWNER BE WITHOUT THEM.
GUN-OWNERS, UNITED WE STAND DIVIDED WE FALL.
Now a question for you messageman, are you going to be in church services this easter Sunday? if so what is the name of the church you attend? Please answer.
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THE NRA, WHERE WOULD YOU AS A GUN-OWNER BE WITHOUT THEM.
GUN-OWNERS, UNITED WE STAND DIVIDED WE FALL.
The writer to the Hebrews says (10:26),
"For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins."
To whomever this applies, the clear indication is that there is no second chance for some under certain conditions. There comes a point in which Christ's sacrifice no longer applies. So there is a line drawn - an end point - past which there is no salvation.
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"Blessed is He who Comes in The Name of The Lord"
Yes mg you can lose your saved condition. I don't know of any CoC that requires you being baptized by an elder, as far as that goes I don't know of any requirements for the baptizer even mentioned in the bible, I think the devil himself could do the baptizing and it it would be recoginized, I don't know where you get your funny ideas at about the CoC but they are way out in left field and twisted very badly by you.
Where should the repentant believer go to receive baptism? Who has the authority to baptize? These questions must be answered.
First, we must again review what has already been established about baptism.
1. The entire New Testament speaks of the same baptism. John the Baptist, Jesus Christ, the Apostles, and the early churches all administered the same kind of baptism.
2. Baptism is a burial and resurrection in water.
3. Baptism pictures the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
4. Baptism pictures the gospel.
5. Only repentant believers were baptized.
6. Baptism pictures salvation by grace.
IT IS AN OBVIOUS FACT THAT ONLY THOSE WHO ACCEPT THIS KIND OF BAPTISM CAN ADMINISTER THIS KIND OF BAPTISM. Let us look at those this would eliminate.
Those who would substitute sprinkling or pouring for burial in water are not administering scriptural baptism and thus would have no authority to baptize.
Those who would baptize babies certainly have no scriptural concept of baptism and thus could not administer scriptural baptism.
Those who would make baptism essential to salvation have departed from Bible truth and are not administering scriptural baptism.
Those who would make man's works part of salvation are not picturing salvation by grace in their baptism and, thus, are not administering scriptural baptism.
ONLY THOSE WHO ARE BAPTIZING REPENTANT BELIEVERS BY A BURIAL AND RESURRECTION IN WATER TO PICTURE SALVATION BY GRACE THROUGH THE DEATH, BURIAL AND RESURRECTION OF JESUS CHRIST ARE ADMINISTERING SCRIPTURAL BAPTISM.
THE REPENTANT BELIEVER MUST GO TO THOSE WHO ARE ADMINISTERING SCRIPTURAL BAPTISM TO RECEIVE SCRIPTURAL BAPTISM.
Who has the authority to baptize?
It is a matter of cold logic that the authority to baptize has to rest somewhere. It has to be administered some way.
THE AUTHORITY TO BAPTIZE COULD NOT REST IN EACH CHRISTIAN
Each individual Christian has personal responsibilities that are his alone. For instance, each Christian is expected to lead a clean, separated life, to be a witness, to win souls, to tithe, to pray, to study God's Word, etc. All these are his personal responsibilities that he, and he alone, can meet. No one else can do them for him ... they are his personal responsibilities.
There are responsibilities that Christians have collectively ... as a group. God only left one organization of Christians on earth and that is the local church. As a church, God's people are to receive and dispense the tithes and offerings of God's people as God directs. As a church, they are to call and ordain pastors and deacons. As a church, they are to send missionaries around the world. As a church, they are to exercise discipline. As a church, they are to maintain facilities for teaching and preaching God's Word. They are to glorify God in all ages.
IT IS RIDICULOUS TO THINK OF AN INDIVIDUAL ASSUMING THE RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE CHURCH.
Does each Christian have the right to receive the tithes and offerings of God's people?
Does each Christian call and ordain his own pastor and deacons?
Does each Christian have the right to administer discipline?
Of course not!
On the other hand, it is just as ridiculous to think of the church assuming the responsibilities of the individual Christian. Can the church do the Christian's praying? His tithing? His studying? His living? Of course not!
IT IS OBVIOUS THAT EACH CHRISTIAN HAS HIS PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITIES INVOLVING THOSE THINGS THAT ARE INDIVIDUALLY HIS AND THAT ANY BUSINESS INVOLVING CHRISTIANS COLLECTIVELY IS CHURCH RESPONSIBILITY.
Into which if these classes does baptism belong? Each Christian cannot assume to speak for Christians collectively in accepting candidates for baptism. This would result in wild confusion. The authority must rest in the church. This is the only organization that God left on earth to carry out His work. It is a logical thing, after accepting this fact, to understand that this organization, the local church, is the only vehicle on earth that has the authority to speak for Christians collectively. THIS HAS TO BE THE ORGANIZATION THAT POSSESSES THE AUTHORITY TO BAPTIZE ... THERE IS NO PLACE ELSE!
CHRIST GAVE THE COMMISSION TO BAPTIZE TO THE CHURCH
"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, BAPTIZING THEM IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER, AND OF THE SON, AND OF THE HOLY GHOST:
"Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto
the end of the world."-Matt. 28:19, 20.
Christ had called the disciples together and delivered this great commission. I Cor. 12:28 reveals that these men had been first set in the church and it was in this capacity that they assembled. It was to the church that Christ gave the commission to go forth and baptize.
PAUL TEACHES THIS TRUTH IN A LITTLE UNDERSTOOD SCRIPTURE
"Now this I say, that everyone of you saith I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.
"Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you ? or WERE YOU BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF PAUL ?
"I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;
"LEST ANY SHOULD SAY THAT I HAD BAPTIZED IN MINE OWN NAME.
"And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides I know not whether I baptized any other.
"FOR CHRIST SENT ME NOT TO BAPTIZE, BUT TO PREACH THE GOSPEL, not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect." -I Cor, 1:12-17.
Paul is denouncing the divisions that existed in the church at Corinth. They were divided into cliques and factions. They were following human leaders.
Paul asked, ""˜were you baptized in the name of Paul?" He was asking if they thought they were baptized by his authority. He repeats this in words, ""˜Lest any should say that I baptized in mine own name." PAUL WAS FEARFUL THAT SOMEONE WOULD THINK THAT HE WAS BAPTIZING ON HIS OWN AUTHORITY.
Paul wrote, "CHRIST SENT ME NOT TO BAPTIZE" yet names those he had baptized! Paul is emphasizing that Christ had not sent him to baptize, that is, he did not in himself, possess the authority to baptize.
GOD SENT THE CHURCH, NOT PAUL NOR ANY OTHER INDIVIDUAL, TO BAPTIZE.
Paul was sent to preach. When he administered baptism he did so by the authority of the church ... not Paul. Where should the repentant believer go to receive baptism? Who has the authority to baptize?
Now the questions have been answered.
1. The church has the authority to baptize.
2. ONLY THOSE CHURCHES THAT ARE BAPTIZING REPENTANT BELIEVERS BY A BURIAL AND RESURRECTION IN WATER TO PICTURE SALVATION BY GRACE THROUGH THE DEATH, BURIAL AND RESURRECTION OF JESUS CHRIST CAN ADMINISTER SCRIPTURAL BAPTISM.
3. Churches that substitute sprinkling or pouring for burial in water cannot administer baptism.
4. Churches that baptize babies cannot administer scriptural baptism.
5. Churches that teach that baptism is essential to salvation cannot administer scriptural baptism.
6. CHURCHES THAT RECOGNIZE AND ACCEPT THE BAPTISM FROM CHURCHES SUCH AS DESCRIBED CANNOT ADMINISTER SCRIPTURAL BAPTISM. By accepting false baptism, a church loses its authority to administer scriptural baptism.
Strut, you might want to back off on that statement about letting the devil doing your baptizing.
Can you lose your salvation???
... And I'm not going to respond! 
