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Old 04-14-2006, 05:22 PM   #1
 
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Default What Day Did Jesus Died ?

Why Yeshua (Jesus) did NOT die on Good Friday
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[align=center]The purpose of this page is to challenge believers in Yeshua (Jesus) to reexamine some of the teachings of the Church in the light of a JEWISH perspective. Many Church traditions are NOT Scriptural and can easily be shown to be errant from a Jewish understanding; particularly the tradition that Yeshua (Jesus) died on Friday. [/align]
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For Centuries Church tradition holds it that Yeshua (Jesus) died on a Friday, since the Gospel accounts tell us that he had to be taken down from the cross quickly due to the imminence of the Sabbath (Mark 15:42; Luke 23:54;John 19:31). Since the Jewish day begins at sunset, it was reckoned that Jesus was crucified on Friday, because the Sabbath would begin after sundown Friday night. There is just one problem with this - Yeshua Himself said that the sign of His being the Messiah would be that he would be in the earth for three days and three nights (Matthew 12:39-40). It boggles the mind to see how many Christian theologians manage to stretch facts and figures to come up with three days and three nights in the time period from Friday before sunset to Sunday morning.
Let's do a bit of counting: If we count His being in the tomb on Friday before sunset as one day, then after sunset we begin the first night: we'll have 1 day and night. Saturday all day will count as another day and after sunset we'll begin another night: day and night two.
The Gospel accounts relate that Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to look at the grave as it began to dawn on Sunday after the Sabbath (Matthew 28:1; Mark 16:1-2;Luke 24:1;John 20:1). This meant that Yeshua rose from the dead before the women came to the grave Sunday morning. If we count this portion of the day 1 day, then we'll have three days; but we can't possibly come up with three nights!
How then can we reconcile this? Simply by looking at the Jewish roots of our faith. According to the Torah, the first night of Pesach (Passover) is a Shabbat (Sabbath), too (Exodus 12:14-16;Leviticus 23:5-7) because it begins the Feast of Unleavened Bread. This meant that the day of Preparation on which Yeshua was killed, as related to in the Gospel accounts (Matthew 27:62; Mark 15:42;Luke 23:54;John 19:42) could have been any day of the week, since the Sabbath of Pesach would have been any day of the week! This means that Yeshua could have been killed any day of the week not just on a Friday!
The mistake the Church makes in losing its Jewish roots is that it assumes that the Sabbath as alluded to in the Gospel accounts had to be a Friday night, since everyone knows that's when Jewish people begin their Sabbath. However, since the Feast of Unleavened Bread, commencing concurently with Pesach, is a Shabbat and could occur on any day of the week; it doesn't necessarily have to follow that this was a Friday night.
In conclusion, to encompass the full three days and nights as Yeshua claimed would be His sign, He would have been killed at the very latest on Thursday and buried Thursday before the Sabbath of the Feast of Unleavened Bread began.

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The problem arises when we attempt to grasp Scripture in the literal. We must view it from the Spiritual. First we must understand that Jonah was a picture of Jesus, spending 3 days, and 3 nights in the belly of the whale, which is a picture of the stay of Jesus in the belly of the earth.

The man without the Spirit counts the physical death of Jesus, as the beginning of the 3 days, and 3 nights, and this simply cannot be reconciled. However the Child of God, via Spiritual eyes understands that Jesus was seperated from God, and entered hell in the Garden of Gethsemine, when His sweat turned to Blood. At that point He was cut off from all contact, and entered Hell. The GOOD NEWS is, is that He defeated Hell, and became the First Born of the Dead, entering Hell, and dieing for the sins of His people. Armed with this understanding the Christian can easily reconcile Scripture, with Scripture, and proclaim that their Lord, and Saviour did indeed spend 3 days, and 3 nights in the belly of the earth.
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Old 04-14-2006, 07:05 PM   #3
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However the Child of God, via Spiritual eyes understands that Jesus was seperated from God, and entered hell in the Garden of Gethsemine, when His sweat turned to Blood. At that point He was cut off from all contact, and entered Hell.
Jesus DID NOT go to hell.

He NEVER went to hell, and never will go to hell.

The Bible does not teach that Jesus went to hell.

In 1 Peter 3:18-20, we are told how that Jesus preached to the spirits that are now in torment, but it does not say it was when He died on the cross, it was throiugh Noah, the scripture even says it clearly, "In the days of Noah..."so Jesus preached to them through Noah while they were alive, why would God preach to dead soul=s suffering in torment, and headed to hell? It doesn't make any sense. God always makes sense.

Jesus did NOT go to hell.

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Does it really matter? I think the point is that Jesus Christ was crucified, died and was resurected from the dead and is alive today! Because of this we all have the opportunity for salvation. What a wonderfull thing for the God of the universe to do! No offense, but I really don't care what day of the week it happend on. He is risen! That's what matters to me.
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However the Child of God, via Spiritual eyes understands that Jesus was seperated from God, and entered hell in the Garden of Gethsemine, when His sweat turned to Blood. At that point He was cut off from all contact, and entered Hell.
Jesus DID NOT go to hell.

He NEVER went to hell, and never will go to hell.

The Bible does not teach that Jesus went to hell.

In 1 Peter 3:18-20, we are told how that Jesus preached to the spirits that are now in torment, but it does not say it was when He died on the cross, it was throiugh Noah, the scripture even says it clearly, "In the days of Noah..."so Jesus preached to them through Noah while they were alive, why would God preach to dead soul=s suffering in torment, and headed to hell? It doesn't make any sense. God always makes sense.

Jesus did NOT go to hell.

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Goose, could you then explain "First Begotten of the Dead".......Again, I implore you to surrender your pride
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Again, I implore you to surrender your pride
O.K. I surrender my pride.
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Does it really matter? I think the point is that Jesus Christ was crucified, died and was resurected from the dead and is alive today! Because of this we all have the opportunity for salvation. What a wonderfull thing for the God of the universe to do! No offense, but I really don't care what day of the week it happend on. He is risen! That's what matters to me.

Amen brother!
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However the Child of God, via Spiritual eyes understands that Jesus was separated from God, and entered hell in the Garden of Gethsemane, when His sweat turned to Blood. At that point He was cut off from all contact, and entered Hell.
Jesus DID NOT go to hell.

He NEVER went to hell, and never will go to hell.

The Bible does not teach that Jesus went to hell.

In 1 Peter 3:18-20, we are told how that Jesus preached to the spirits that are now in torment, but it does not say it was when He died on the cross, it was through Noah, the scripture even says it clearly, "In the days of Noah..."so Jesus preached to them through Noah while they were alive, why would God preach to dead soul=s suffering in torment, and headed to hell? It doesn't make any sense. God always makes sense.

Jesus did NOT go to hell.

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sorry for the bad news goose but Jesus wasput in hell .but he got out
and so willall others that remain in godsmemory. look up Sheol and Hadesand then you mite under stand what is refereed to when its said he was in hell.
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Why Yeshua (Jesus) did NOT die on Good Friday

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[align=center]The purpose of this page is to challenge believers in Yeshua (Jesus) to reexamine some of the teachings of the Church in the light of a JEWISH perspective. Many Church traditions are NOT Scriptural and can easily be shown to be errant from a Jewish understanding; particularly the tradition that Yeshua (Jesus) died on Friday. [/align][align=center][/align]

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For Centuries Church tradition holds it that Yeshua (Jesus) died on a Friday, since the Gospel accounts tell us that he had to be taken down from the cross quickly due to the imminence of the Sabbath (Mark 15:42; Luke 23:54;John 19:31). Since the Jewish day begins at sunset, it was reckoned that Jesus was crucified on Friday, because the Sabbath would begin after sundown Friday night. There is just one problem with this - Yeshua Himself said that the sign of His being the Messiah would be that he would be in the earth for three days and three nights (Matthew 12:39-40). It boggles the mind to see how many Christian theologians manage to stretch facts and figures to come up with three days and three nights in the time period from Friday before sunset to Sunday morning.
Let's do a bit of counting: If we count His being in the tomb on Friday before sunset as one day, then after sunset we begin the first night: we'll have 1 day and night. Saturday all day will count as another day and after sunset we'll begin another night: day and night two.
The Gospel accounts relate that Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to look at the grave as it began to dawn on Sunday after the Sabbath (Matthew 28:1; Mark 16:1-2;Luke 24:1;John 20:1). This meant that Yeshua rose from the dead before the women came to the grave Sunday morning. If we count this portion of the day 1 day, then we'll have three days; but we can't possibly come up with three nights!
How then can we reconcile this? Simply by looking at the Jewish roots of our faith. According to the Torah, the first night of Pesach (Passover) is a Shabbat (Sabbath), too (Exodus 12:14-16;Leviticus 23:5-7) because it begins the Feast of Unleavened Bread. This meant that the day of Preparation on which Yeshua was killed, as related to in the Gospel accounts (Matthew 27:62; Mark 15:42;Luke 23:54;John 19:42) could have been any day of the week, since the Sabbath of Pesach would have been any day of the week! This means that Yeshua could have been killed any day of the week not just on a Friday!
The mistake the Church makes in losing its Jewish roots is that it assumes that the Sabbath as alluded to in the Gospel accounts had to be a Friday night, since everyone knows that's when Jewish people begin their Sabbath. However, since the Feast of Unleavened Bread, commencing concurently with Pesach, is a Shabbat and could occur on any day of the week; it doesn't necessarily have to follow that this was a Friday night.
In conclusion, to encompass the full three days and nights as Yeshua claimed would be His sign, He would have been killed at the very latest on Thursday and buried Thursday before the Sabbath of the Feast of Unleavened Bread began.


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very well done alex .
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Does it really matter? I think the point is that Jesus Christ was crucified, died and was resurected from the dead and is alive today! Because of this we all have the opportunity for salvation. What a wonderfull thing for the God of the universe to do! No offense, but I really don't care what day of the week it happend on. He is risen! That's what matters to me.
Yes it matters ,because 1- the prophecies said he would be in the earth 3 days, second He said he would be in the toomb 3 days.
So if he didn't fulfilled it as prophecied and as he said, then it is a lie.
and we are to wait for another Christ.
See theImportance ? Things must be fulfilled 100% as written or they are not what is written.
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