Do we really follow the scriptures?

Tazman · 03-14-2006, 04:49 AM

Just something to discuss since I have seen some who feel that they follow the Bible to a tee.

Can anyone here say that all of the below scripture is adhered to in their church?

If we are not adhereing to the scripture below are we not taking away from scripture?

Quote:

1 Cor.
11:5
But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.

Do all of our women cover thier heads in prayer?

Quote:

1 Cor.
11:6
For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.

This is one I find interesting, unless I am wrong this is saying that a woman does not have to be covered if she is shorn or shaven as long as it is not a "shame" to be shorn or shaven. The shorn or shaven also indicates that it is not shameful for a woman to cut her hair.

Quote:

1 Cor.
11:15
But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.

Okay this one I also found interesting, some churches do insist upon a woman having her head covered with a scarf or the such, yet this scripture indicates that if she has long hair, her hair is her cover, which would me she does not need a scarf because she already has a cover, her hair.

Quote:

1 Cor.
14:34
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.

We have discussed this before, but this is one that to my knowledge not a single church I have heard of observes yet there it is right in the scriptures. Women can not speak in church!

Quote:

1 Cor.
14:35
And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

A woman if she learns anything at church can not ask their husband about what they learned until they are at home.

Quote:

1 Tim. 2:11: Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
2:12: But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

Not only does this once again say women are not to speak in church, it also states that a woman will not teach, nor take any authority over a man, they are to be silent!

The Rev · 03-14-2006, 05:53 AM

I don't believe there is one church that goes by each word of the Bible... Thats why I am non-demoninational... Even thought there are some fine churches out there.

Tazman · 03-14-2006, 05:58 AM

Quote:

ORIGINAL: The Rev

I don't believe there is one church that goes by each word of the Bible... Thats why I am non-demoninational... Even thought there are some fine churches out there.

Amen Rev, the very reason why I am non-denominational also, there are some fine churches out there, many of them claim to follow the Bible to a tee, but I have yet to see one that does.

Alex The Hawk · 03-14-2006, 06:16 AM

Just something to discuss since I have seen some who feel that they follow the Bible to a tee.

Can anyone here say that all of the below scripture is adhered to in their church?

If we are not adhereing to the scripture below are we not taking away from scripture?

[blockquote]quote:

1 Cor.
11:5
But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven. [/blockquote]

Do all of our women cover thier heads in prayer?

[blockquote]quote:

1 Cor.
11:6
For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.
[/blockquote]

This is one I find interesting, unless I am wrong this is saying that a woman does not have to be covered if she is shorn or shaven as long as it is not a "shame" to be shorn or shaven. The shorn or shaven also indicates that it is not shameful for a woman to cut her hair.

[blockquote]quote:

1 Cor.
11:15
But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.

[/blockquote]

Okay this one I also found interesting, some churches do insist upon a woman having her head covered with a scarf or the such, yet this scripture indicates that if she has long hair, her hair is her cover, which would me she does not need a scarf because she already has a cover, her hair.

[blockquote]quote:

1 Cor.
14:34
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
[/blockquote]
We have discussed this before, but this is one that to my knowledge not a single church I have heard of observes yet there it is right in the scriptures. Women can not speak in church!

Waiiiit a minute !,I thought you guys are not under the law ?

And Paul wasn't either, huuuuum

Denny · 03-14-2006, 07:55 AM

Interesting topic,
Alex I think many shorn women of the time were prostitutes?
Traditional Catholic would argue that that we are ignoring the Apostiles.
The change ocurred for us, in the 60's, why am I not surprised.
For you non-denominational guys your logic somewhat escapes methough.I guess you are saying because you are, you therefore aremore inclined to be be less offensive to God?I'm sure your not saying this.I am not trying to be a wise guybut I am intertested in your answer.
In any event this is, I didn't realize it, a source of contention.
Short answer to original post is NO, in my opinion of course.As longasa woman is not trying to bring attention to herself, she should be covered.
unfortunately My church has,for the moment, left it open.

03-14-2006, 07:55 AM

Taz, I brought up several of these to my church, and get the standard answer, "mark you have learn the context, and the people he was talking too". Ok, I think I did.

I wished we did follow the scripture to more the letter.

If God wants our head covered, cover it. If you go to greece, you will see all the women cover thier heads in prayer, and some parts of Italy.

Unfortately, i think almost all churches have bent thier standards to conform to the world. But I may be wrong.

Denny · 03-14-2006, 07:57 AM

I think you are right on!!

Tazman · 03-14-2006, 08:29 AM

Denny being non-denominational has nothing to do with being less offensive to God at all for me.

When I say I am non-denominational I say that due to the fact that there is not a single denomination that I fully agree with as a result I choose not to label myself as a follower of anyone except Christ.

I have no issues at all with those who belong to a denomination or those churches with common beliefs that profess to be non-denominational.

A persons walk with Christ is a very personal matter, I choose to walk with Christ with out hanging my hat on any other mans beliefs or teachings.

There are plenty of folks that do feel thier personal beleifs and a particular denominations beleifs are in step with each other and thier walk with Christ and that is great, I will not judge them right or wrong, that is Gods job. I will express my beleifs and why I beleive what I believe.

Denny · 03-14-2006, 08:54 AM

Thank you for that answer. I thought that was the case, I just wanted to get that straight in my own mind. My problem was I could not see how being non-denominational made one more correct in their interpertation of Scripture, all though they could be.

LBR · 03-14-2006, 09:00 AM

Very thought provoking. I've looked into this before, but honestly I need a refresher.

Where I attend, women do not lead prayer, they do not preach, they do not teach except other women and children, they do not hold the position of elder or deacon, or hold a position of authority over the men in any other manner.

I do need to study this more--it's been a while.

Chad