Alex, Rebel, Leaf, Snooky, and anyone else that believes the Oneness doctrine:
You guys are so adamant about this doctrine of the Trinity being pagan, yet it is clear that the One God has three distinct personsthat make up His oneness. I agree thatthe Bible depicts deity as singular, there is one and only one divine essence or Being (Deuteronomy 6:4; Isaiah 45:5; 1 Corinthians 8:6; 1 Timothy 2:5; James 2:19). However, the Bible also clearly depicts God as a triune Being"three distinct persons within the one essence"with a triune nature. For example, during the Creation week, God stated: "Let us..." (Genesis 1:26). Both the Holy Spirit (Genesis 1:2) and Christ (John 1:1-3) were present and active at the Creation with God the Father. The New Testament alludes to the "Godhead" (Acts 17:29; Romans 1:20; Colossians 2:9). At the baptism of Jesus while He was in human form, the Father spoke audibly from heaven, and the Holy Spirit descended on Jesus (Matthew 3:16-17). All three are sometimes noted together (Matthew 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14). Each person of the Godhead is fully God, fully deity, fully divine. Jesus is repeatedly referred to as God (Matthew 1:22-23; John 1:1-3,14; 8:58; 20:28; Micah 5:2). The Holy Spirit is also divine (John 14:26; 15:26; Romans 15:19; 1 Corinthians 2:10-11; Ephesians 4:4; Hebrews 9:14).
It is not a "pagan" doctrine at all, there are just too many verses in the Bible that speak very clearly on this BIBLICAL doctrine.
We may not understand everything about God, but that is o.k. becausefaith is the substance of things hoped for andthe evidence of things not seen. I have faith in the doctrine of the Trinity because faith comes from hearing the Word of God, and the Trinity IS in the Word of God.
RE: The Bible clearly depicts God as a Triune Being
Genesis 1:26Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth." Genesis 1:2The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. John 1:1-3In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. Acts 17:29Being then God"s offspring, we ought not to think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by the art and imagination of man. Romans 1:20For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. Colossians 2:9For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily,
Matthew 3:16-17And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming to rest on him; and behold, a voice from heaven said, "This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased." Matthew 28:19Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 2 Corinthians 13:14The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all. Matthew 1:22-23All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had spoken by the prophet: "Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel" (which means, God with us). John 1:1-3In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. John 1:14And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth. John 8:58Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am."
John 20:28Thomas answered him, "My Lord and my God!" Micah 5:2But you, O Bethlehem Ephrathah, who are too little to be among the clans of Judah, from you shall come forth for me one who is to be ruler in Israel, whose origin is from of old, from ancient days. John 14:26But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you. John 15:26"But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me. Romans 15:19by the power of signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God"so that from Jerusalem and all the way around to Illyricum I have fulfilled the ministry of the gospel of Christ; 1 Corinthians 2:10-11these things God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. For who knows a person"s thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. Ephesians 4:4There is one body and one Spirit"just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call" Hebrews 9:14how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God.
RE: The Bible clearly depicts God as a Triune Being
Goose,
This may not be a good topic at the moment. While you were gone this topic has been exhausted my friend. The topic seems to cause bad feelings and I believe we are in need of healing at the present. You have not been here alot to know that.I just thought I'd give ya a heads up.
Love ya,
Chuck
RE: The Bible clearly depicts God as a Triune Being
Bro Goose; Are you sure that you are not a "closet oneness"? Every scripture that you have offered is proof of the oneness of God if left without an offering of interpretation. The only hint of a plural God is in your explaination, not in the scripture given.
Welcome back Bro. We missed you.
RE: The Bible clearly depicts God as a Triune Being
Excellent scriptures Goose, most, if not all of these have been disected pretty well in many of the threads over the last some months. Rather than go all back into it, if you are really interested in picking oneness theology apart, you can go back and find our responces and come back and say "yeah but!". Then maybe you can spark an interest. This thing has been gone over and over . . .we have went over it with you at least a couple of times. We both still believe the way we do. I'm growing tired of the friction and the duplicity so unless you find something new to come up with or rebutt some of the answers I have already given to a lot of the scripture that get brought up, I'm just not going to play anymore for awhile.
__________________ And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
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I'm very sorry to have brought up a subject that has already been completely covered. As most of you know, I have been gone for a while, and this subject was slightly touched on insome other threads, so I thought I dive in to it. Before Itook some time off, we had talked a little about it, but nothing complete.
I didnot mean to get anything divisivestarted but only a thorough study of the scriptures. Thanks to Chuck for the heads-up and tothe others for theencouragement.
The Bible clearly depicts God as a Triune Being
