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Old 01-31-2006, 05:28 AM   #1
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Galatians 4:21-31(King James Version)
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21Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
22For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
26But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
27For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
28Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
29But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
30Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
31So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.



...it's not about the oil...or the nukes...or the Democratic elections...

...notice verse 29......

Hamas?.....West Bank?....
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Remmington..

Which law is Paul talking about here..
The Jewish law...

or The Law of obedience tha tcomes through Faith in Christ.??
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In the present world many mis interpret holy living for being under the law...This is very far from the truth.
We ar eunder the law of Christ ...


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Romans8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
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In the present world many mis interpret holy living for being under the law...This is very far from the truth.
We ar eunder the law of Christ ...


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Romans8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Careful bro, although it is true we are under the Law of Christ, He was the one who gave the law in Mount Sinai, Some was understood to be temporary until a better covenant but not all of it was substituted at the cross, The ceremonial law and the law of sin and death was set aside by Christs sacrifice but God's moral law is still alive.

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Compare below Moses' Law vs. [/align][align=center]

God's Ten Commandment Law [/align][align=left]
MANY people often confuse Moses Law with God's 10 Commandment law, but they are very different. [/align][align=left]
Moses' law was the temporary, ceremonial law of the Old Testament. It regulated the priesthood, sacrifices, rituals, meat and drink offerings, etc., all of which foreshadowed the cross. This law was added "till the seed should come," and that seed was Christ (Galatians 3:16, 19). The ritual and ceremony of Moses' law pointed forward to Christ's sacrifice. When He died, this law came to an end, but the Ten Commandments (God's law) "stand fast for ever and ever." Psalm 111:7,8. That there are two laws is made crystal clear in the following verses. Verse 10 is talking about God's law and verse 11 is talking about Moses' law: [/align]
"Neither have we obeyed the voice of the LORD our God, to walk in his laws, which he set before us by his servants the prophets."
"Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him." Daniel 9:10,11
Special Note: Please note that God's law has existed at least as long as sin has existed. The Bible says, "Where no law is, there is no transgression [or sin]." Romans 4:15. So God's Ten Commandment law existed from the beginning. Men broke that law. "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law." 1 John 3:4Because of sin (or breaking God's law), Moses' law was given (or "added" Galatians 3:16, 19) till Christ should come and die. Two separate laws involved: God's law and Moses' law.
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Moses Law
10 Commandments


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Called "the law of Moses" [/align][align=left]
LUKE 2:22 And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord. [/align]

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Called "the Law of the Lord" [/align][align=left]
ISA. 5:24 Therefore as the fire devoureth the stubble, and the flame consumeth the chaff, so their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust: because they have cast away the law of the LORD of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel. [/align]


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Called "Law contained in ordinances" [/align][align=left]
EPH. 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace. [/align]

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Called "the Royal law" [/align][align=left]
JAMES 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: [/align]


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Written by Moses in a book [/align][align=left]
2 CHRON. 35:12 And they removed the burnt offerings, that they might give according to the divisions of the families of the people, to offer unto the LORD, as it is written in the book of Moses. And so did they with the oxen. [/align]

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Written by God on stone [/align][align=left]
EXO. 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God. [/align][align=left]
EXO. 32:16 And the tables were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God, graven upon the tables. [/align]


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Placed in the side of the ark [/align][align=left]
DEUT. 31:26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee. [/align]

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Placed inside the ark [/align][align=left]
EXO. 40:20 And he took and put the testimony into the ark, and set the staves on the ark, and put the mercy seat above upon the ark: [/align]


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Ended at the cross [/align][align=left]
EPH. 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace. [/align]

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Will stand forever [/align][align=left]
LUKE 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail. [/align]


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Added because of sin [/align][align=left]
GAL. 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. [/align]

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Points out sin [/align][align=left]
ROM. 7:7 What shall we say then? is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
ROM. 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
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Contrary to us, against us [/align][align=left]
COL. 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross. [/align]

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Not grevious [/align][align=left]
1 JOHN 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. [/align]


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Judges no man [/align][align=left]
COL. 2:14-16 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: [/align]

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Judges all men [/align][align=left]
JAM. 2:10-12 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. [/align]


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Carnal [/align][align=left]
HEB. 7:16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life. [/align]

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Spiritual [/align][align=left]
ROM. 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. [/align]


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Made nothing perfect [/align][align=left]
HEB. 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God. [/align]

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Perfect [/align][align=left]
PSALMS 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple. [/align][/align]
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Old 01-31-2006, 06:18 PM   #5
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Careful bro, although it is true we are under the Law of Christ, He was the one who gave the law in Mount Sinai,
Alex.

You know what Alex..no sooner did I make tha tstatement and I thought oh my ..there is some support for Christ and God the father being different as I thought about the sttement in 1 John which I will post. However....I think I will leave oneness alone for a awhile Why???Because in searching the other day I really found out I 'm not as solid as I thought I was . I think I'll let you pros handle the oneness theology. However ...here is th everse from John 1.

John1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
Why I was looking for the 10 verses the other day I could easily see how they all could support both views and some better than the other.
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The black comments were from Alex. I plan to respond in red. ..this one time.

Careful bro, although it is true we are under the Law of Christ, He was the one who gave the law in Mount Sinai, Some was understood to be temporary until a better covenant but not all of it was substituted at the cross, The ceremonial law and the law of sin and death was set aside by Christs sacrifice but God's moral law is still alive.


[blockquote]
[align=center]

Compare below Moses' Law vs. [/align][align=center]

God's Ten Commandment Law [/align][align=left]
MANY people often confuse Moses Law with God's 10 Commandment law, but they are very different. [/align][align=left]
Moses' law was the temporary, ceremonial law of the Old Testament. It regulated the priesthood, sacrifices, rituals, meat and drink offerings, etc., all of which foreshadowed the cross. This law was added "till the seed should come," and that seed was Christ (Galatians 3:16, 19). The ritual and ceremony of Moses' law pointed forward to Christ's sacrifice. When He died, this law came to an end, but the Ten Commandments (God's law) "stand fast for ever and ever." Psalm 111:7,8. That there are two laws is made crystal clear in the following verses. Verse 10 is talking about God's law and verse 11 is talking about Moses' law: I disagree my friend. Love fulfills ALL the law. I better get out th eWord and support with scripture.Gal.5:14For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
[/align][align=left]"Neither have we obeyed the voice of the LORD our God, to walk in his laws, which he set before us by his servants the prophets."
"Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him." Daniel 9:10,11
[/align][align=left]Special Note: Please note that God's law has existed at least as long as sin has existed. The Bible says, "Where no law is, there is no transgression [or sin]."I totally agree with thatstatement my friend.Folks who are not walking in love are under the law.This is a big reason I strive to walk in love..I don't like living under the law.Romans 4:15. So God's Ten Commandment law existed from the beginning. Men broke that law. "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law." 1 John 3:4Because of sin (or breaking God's law), Moses' law was given (or "added" Galatians 3:16, 19) till Christ should come and die. Two separate laws involved: God's law and Moses' law. Disagree..Moses handed the law down but God wrote th efirst copy with his finger. Moses was simply a messinger.[/align][/blockquote][align=center]




[/align][align=center]Moses Law [/align][align=center]
[/align][align=center]10 Commandments [/align][align=center]


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Called "the law of Moses" Because they came from his hands. The law utimately came from God the father. tHE ONE WHOM mOSES COULD ONLY SEE hIS BACK PARTS.Sorry for the cap locks.Accident.[/align][align=left]
LUKE 2:22 And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord. Yes ..because until Christ died or the curtain in the temple was rent in two..they were still under the old law.[/align][align=center]

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Called "the Law of the Lord" [/align][align=left]
ISA. 5:24 Therefore as the fire devoureth the stubble, and the flame consumeth the chaff, so their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust: because they have cast away the law of the LORD of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel.Amen agreed for them.[/align][align=center]


[/align][align=center]

Called "Law contained in ordinances" [/align][align=left]
EPH. 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace. [/align][align=left]Hey Alex that verse supports Israel and Gentiles to be one not to separate children bu tone.[/align][align=center]

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Called "the Royal law" [/align][align=left]
JAMES 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: AMEN 1000 times now your talkin. This law is the heavenly law.The royal law that fulfills all. To love God and neighbor as thy self.[/align][align=center]


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Written by Moses in a book [/align][align=left]
2 CHRON. 35:12 And they removed the burnt offerings, that they might give according to the divisions of the families of the people, to offer unto the LORD, as it is written in the book of Moses. And so did they with the oxen. Sure...and we have letters of Paul and Peter and John etc. Only servants of the most high.[/align][align=center]

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Written by God on stone [/align][align=left]
EXO. 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God. [/align][align=left]
EXO. 32:16 And the tables were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God, graven upon the tables. [/align][align=center]
Amen

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Placed in the side of the ark [/align][align=left]
DEUT. 31:26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee. [/align][align=left]Amen[/align][align=center]

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Placed inside the ark [/align][align=left]
EXO. 40:20 And he took and put the testimony into the ark, and set the staves on the ark, and put the mercy seat above upon the ark: Amen[/align][align=center]


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Ended at the cross [/align][align=left]
EPH. 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace Amen... abolished !!!!
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Will stand forever [/align][align=left]
LUKE 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail. Amen but look at that verse in the light of the entire New Testament....Later on the curtain is rent asounder. Paul is ordained to preach to the Gentiles..They fast and pray and the Holy Ghost speaks on this wise.[/align][align=left][/align][align=left]
15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

15:19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
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15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
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Added because of sin [/align][align=left]
GAL. 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. [/align][align=center]Amen...UNTIL CHRIST COMES HE IS THAT SEED

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Points out sin [/align][align=left]
ROM. 7:7 What shall we say then? is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
ROM. 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
[/align][align=center]Amen the law is our school master to convict us of sin thus leadin gus to the answer..Jesus the Christ.


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Contrary to us, against us [/align][align=left]
COL. 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross. [/align][align=center]3rd time and another hardy Amen!!!

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Not grevious [/align][align=left]
1 JOHN 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. [/align][align=left]No the commands of loving God and our neighbor is not grievious.[/align][align=center]


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Judges no man [/align][align=left]
COL. 2:14-16 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: [/align][align=left]Amen brother [/align][align=center]

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Judges all men [/align][align=left]
JAM. 2:10-12 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. [/align][align=center]Amen 1000 times the law of liberty is the law of Chrish Love which worketh by faith


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Carnal [/align][align=left]
HEB. 7:16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life. [/align][align=center]

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Spiritual [/align][align=left]
ROM. 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. [/align][align=center]School master a spiritual school master


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Made nothing perfect [/align][align=left]
HEB. 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God. Amen it led us to Christ[/align][align=center]

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Perfect [/align][align=left]
PSALMS 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple. Yes the things of Go dare good. I sing that verse quite often and refer it to the modern day law of love. It's not a cop out believe me. Jesus said agreed with the man in Mark.."It is more than burnt sacrifices."[/align]

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