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Old 01-26-2006, 08:40 AM   #1
 
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RAMALLAH, West Bank - Hamas won a huge majority in parliamentary elections as Palestinian voters rejected the longtime rule of the Fatah Party, throwing the future of Mideast peacemaking into question, officials from both major parties said Thursday.
Palestinian leaders huddled to determine what role the Islamic militant group will play in governing the territories.
Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas will ask Hamas to form the next government, with his defeated Fatah Party weighing whether to form a partnership or serve in the opposition

A Hamas government, without Fatah as a moderating force, would greatly complicate Abbas" efforts to restart peace talks. The Islamic militants, who carried out dozens of suicide bombings and seek Israel"s destruction, have said they oppose peace talks and will not disarm. Israel and the United States refuse to deal with Hamas and the two, along with the European Union, have classified Hamas as a terrorist organization.
In a first sign of pragmatism, Hamas leader Mahmoud Zahar said the group would extend its year-old truce if Israel reciprocates. "If not, then I think we will have no option but to protect our people and our land," he told Associated Press Television News.
Fatah legislator Saeb Erekat said the party does not want to join a Hamas government. "We will be a loyal opposition and rebuild the party," Erekat said, after meeting with Abbas.
But Nabil Shaath, another senior Fatah lawmaker, said the party"s leadership would make a decision later in the day.

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Clashes in West Bank
As the Hamas victory became apparent, Hamas supporters raised their flag over the Palestinian parliament Thursday afternoon and rushed into the building amid clashes with Fatah loyalists.
The two camps threw stones at each other, breaking windows in the building, as Fatah supporters briefly tried to lower the green Hamas banners.
The crowd of about 3,000 Hamas backers cheered and whistled as activists on the roof of the parliament raised the Hamas banner again.
It was the first confrontation between Hamas and Fatah since the Islamic militant group won parliamentary elections on Wednesday.
Rice calls Abbas
Earlier, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice called Abbas to praise Palestinian democracy and say the United States supports him and his policies, his office said.
"She asserted to him that U.S. administration will continue supporting the elected president and his policies," said Nabil Abu Rdeneh, an Abbas aide.
Abbas was elected separately a year ago and remains president. However, the Palestinian leader has said he would resign if he could no longer pursue his peace agenda. The Cabinet and legislature must approve any major initiative by Abbas, giving Hamas tremendous influence over peace moves.
Aides said he planned a major speech Thursday night, after final results are announced by the Central Election Commission.







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Acknowledging the Hamas victory, Palestinian Prime Minister Ahmed Qureia and his Cabinet ministers resigned Thursday " hours before official results were released.
"This is the choice of the people. It should be respected," Qureia said. "If it"s true, then the president should ask Hamas to form a new government." The Cabinet remained in office in a caretaker capacity.
Zahar also promised a complete overhaul of Palestinian public services and administration.
"We are going to change every aspect, as regards the economy, as regards industry, as regards agriculture, as regards social aid, as regards health, administration, education," he said.
Celebrating victory
International observers, led by former President Carter, said the elections were "well administered."
Hamas supporters streamed into the streets to celebrate victory. In Rafah in the southern Gaza Strip, Hamas loyalists shot in the air and handed out candy. Others honked horns and waved Hamas flags from car windows.
Israeli officials declined comment, but senior security officials gathered Thursday to discuss the results. Acting Prime Minister Ehud Olmert scheduled talks with senior officials later in the day.
Olmert said Wednesday, before Hamas claimed victory, that Israel cannot trust a Palestinian leadership in which the Islamic group has a role.
"Israel can"t accept a situation in which Hamas, in its present form as a terror group calling for the destruction of Israel, will be part of the Palestinian Authority without disarming," Olmert said in a statement issued by his office.
President Bush told The Wall Street Journal on Wednesday that the United States will not deal with Hamas until it renounces its position calling for the destruction of Israel.

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Old 01-26-2006, 09:11 AM   #2
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I think the she's been groaning for quite some time. But now she starting to dialate...
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The futile efforts in the Middle East to have Israelis and Palestinians live in security side by side has just been dealt what could be a fatal blow. This may be good news and I'll expand. Hamas won a victory over Fatah, the party of Mahmoud Abbas, on January 25. This may drive a nail into the coffin of the "Road Map to Peace" just as the Oslo Accords hit a dead end. The "Road Map's" FIRST requirement was to disarm groups like Hamas. Instead, the Palestinian people revealed much about themselves: They elected them. The Palestinian people have chosen terror, not peace, not that Mahmoud Abbas could be trusted either.
As my friend Jack Kinsella says in his "Omega Intelligence Briefing" today, "Washington has only itself to blame. The Bush administration's unwavering faith in democracy caused it to push for Palestinian elections, convinced, as it is, of the existence of a moderate majority among Islam. It was convinced that if the majority of Palestinians turned out to vote, they would overwhelmingly reject violence and terror and embrace peaceful coexistence with Israel. The election was touted as the Palestinian's first real chance at a popular peace." While some Palestinians clearly want to just raise families and have decent jobs, the greater majority seem to have little desire for living "side by side in peace and security with Israel."
In recent years America has sent 1.7 billion dollars to the Palestinian leadership. They have squandered most of it, spent it on themselves, or stashed it away in foreign banks. Hamas, while having a "social program" providing medical aid and other perks for the Palestinians, something Abbas & Company care less about, Hamas promises not to pull its pledge to destroy Israel. Additionally, it will govern by the Koran which Abbas was doing far less of.
As many have said in recent years, "democracy in the Middle East" will be tough to pull off, and this is the proof of the pudding when terrorists are allowed to run in "democratic elections." So by giving a nation that isn't a nation--"Palestine"--the right to have a "democratic election," they have voted in the world's first official terrorist government, all with U.S. assistance and aid over many years.
This is a political earthquake and will destabilize the region.
On a more positive note, it could put the formation of a Palestinian state on hold even though the E.U. says it will do business with Hamas and will press on for peace. Talk about strong delusion! Any nation that agrees to do business with Hamas will reveal its true colors.
Let us pray for President Bush and Condoleezza Rice, that they will make wise choices in the days and weeks ahead. The president is talking tough about Hamas as is Rice now that reality has sunk in. While they were in 100% support of these elections, I suspect they never expected the results that occurred. Again, a basic flaw in not understanding Islam is at the root. While it looks like the administration will not deal with Hamas, they "understand the reaction of the Palestinian people for being sick of the corruption of Arafat and Abbas." But if they think Hamas offers some form of non-corruption, they are in for a sad surprise. Further, Israel will never sit down at a peace table with the blatant terrorist group.
Learn more including viewing of two one minute films on the intent of the Palestinian leadership by visiting my Web site and the category of "Palestine" here http://www.olivetreeviews.org/topics/palestine.shtml and also many related issues under "Current Headlines" here http://www.olivetreeviews.org/topics/breaking_news.shtml
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Old 01-26-2006, 02:32 PM   #4
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Israel is not our friend who cares.
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Old 01-26-2006, 03:45 PM   #5
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Charlie they are referring to biblically I believe, not worldly like you are. So it matters alot to us.

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I agree with Rev, they've been going on and will be getting closer together and stronger. These pains are not just Isolated to Israel though. We will see them everywhere.
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Some people can be so Ignorant, unless Israel goes through birth Pains, there will be no Christ return,DUH !
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Israel is not our friend who cares. Charlie P

I pray a blessing for Israel nearly everyday..We are admonished too,I love Israel .
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Old 01-26-2006, 07:17 PM   #9
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Could you guys explain what you mean by "birth pains" when it seems to me that Israel has had "birth/growing" pains ever since its reformation in '48 or whatever
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In this one thing at least, we agree Chuck.
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