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Old 01-24-2006, 10:21 AM   #1
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Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart: and lean not unto thine own understanding.
Proverbs 3:6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
Proverbs 3:7 Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the Lord, and depart from evil.

1 Cor 1:19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
1 Cor 1:20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the desputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
1 Cor 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God.
1 Cor 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethern, how that not many wise men after the flesh, nor many mighty, not many noble, are called.
1 Cor 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the worls to confound the mighty;

Isaiah 5:21Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes.

II Timothy 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the scriptures, which are able to make the wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
II Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.

In many of the discussions and bebates, both current and in the past, I see a tremendeous amount of "reading between the lines" to prove a point. Such phrases as "you have to understand", and, "in the original language", and " the scholars have said", "the second century Church", and on and on. Why can't we simply say, the scripture says', The bible declares, give the chapter and verse and forget the "I think", "what I see is", ect. and let God tell us what he wants us to know.
The Bible doesn't tell us all that there is to know! God however has told us in the Bible, ALL that we need to know!! If one is to know the mind of God, he must know his word. God and his word are one and the same. God doesn't lie. He doesn't say things that he doesn't mean, and he says what he means. What we think will not change what is written. He that cometh to God MUST BELIEVE that he is. Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the WORD. The word was God!! God changeth not! Therefore God is still the Word! Know the Word and you know God.

What do you say that we start copy and pasting the scripture rather than Strongs, Thayers, The WatchTower, The Pentecostal Publishing House, ect. These mau hold some truth, but I don't look for "some" truth, I look for the "whole" truth and that is found only in the Holy Scriptures.


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Old 01-24-2006, 10:35 AM   #2
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What do you say that we start copy and pasting the scripture rather than Strongs, Thayers, The WatchTower, The Pentecostal Publishing House, ect. These mau hold some truth, but I don't look for "some" truth, I look for the "whole" truth and that is found only in the Holy Scriptures.
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What do you say that we start copy and pasting the scripture rather than Strongs, Thayers, The WatchTower, The Pentecostal Publishing House, ect. These mau hold some truth, but I don't look for "some" truth, I look for the "whole" truth and that is found only in the Holy Scriptures.
I'm all for postiing scripture from the bible, but this is a hunting and religion forum not a hunting and bible study forum so I've got to accept that if we are discussing religion then pretty much any religious source is legitamate. That doesn't mean I have to agree with all the sources that are posted. But ceratinly everyone is entitled to post what they want. If I don't want to discuss a passage from the koran for example, I just won't post on it.
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If I don't want to discuss a passage from the koran for example, I just won't post on it.
Yep! you're right brother, but I rather see scripture than anyones opinions and thier interpretations of a verse.
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But ceratinly everyone is entitled to post what they want. If I don't want to discuss a passage from the koran for example, I just won't post on it.

If one wants to discuss the koran, then use the koran as the sorce of proof. If one wants to discuss the doctrine of the watchtower, use thier bible. If one wants to discuss christianity and the doctrine of the church, use the bible. But don't try to prove the doctrine of the Church by using the koran, or the watchtower, or the book of Mormon, ect. For the christian, the Bible is the only authority.
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What do you say that we start copy and pasting the scripture rather than Strongs, Snook

Strongs is not a commintator. Strongs is a help to find scriptures so why bad mout the Strong's COncordance. The worst thing I see is folks who are intolerenat of others.That is not a Christ like spirit. That is one who cause division. which is one thing tha tGod hates.
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Crosswalk has a search engine with which you may use the Bible and the Strong's Concordance numbers together for your study at http://bible.crosswalk.com
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If one wants to discuss the koran, then use the koran as the sorce of proof. If one wants to discuss the doctrine of the watchtower, use thier bible. If one wants to discuss christianity and the doctrine of the church, use the bible. But don't try to prove the doctrine of the Church by using the koran, or the watchtower, or the book of Mormon, ect. For the christian, the Bible is the only authority.
Can't disagree with that. Good point.
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I understand where you are coming rom Snooky, so try to hear where I am coming from. I recognize the danger of putting man's word about God's Word above the Word itself. I also understand about the attempts to superimpose ideas or pet doctrines where they just don't fit by way of rationalizing and , as you said, reading between the lines.We don't go to the Word to support our preconceived notions that we just got from our favorite tv preacher--or we shouldn't, we go to the Word to let it teach us through the illumnation of the Spirit of Truth.But, to ignore the resources available in the way of commentaries, concordances , etc. is just not very wise. If for nothing else, it gives us some degree of accountability and enables us to check our own thoughts with those that are trustworthy. There is no man that is infallible, including you and I --not in behavior--not in doctrine. There are those that are proven and we are to test the spirits to see if it is of God. The Word is the starting point,because if we are not versed in the original revelations, then how will we recognize error? We are commended, by the Scriptures to study to show ourselves approved, and to be able to give an answer to those around us, for the hope that we have in us. Books such as THe Case for the Creator, C S Lewis' writings, G K Chesterton, Ravi Zacharias, Frances Shaeffer, etc. provide a multiplicty of readiness to establish the validity of the Word in clarifying and answering it's critics that would attack it from all angles. Recently,there has been the Da Vinci Code, and the Book of Daniel. It won't suffice to say to a skeptic that has been deceived by these satanic endeavors that it just isn't feasible to believe these things--they have to be disproven through knowledge--knowledge of Church History, archaeological discoveries, evidences, historical documents, an understanding of the sciences as they relate to creation vs evolution, intelligent design, etc.The Word is indeed the Truth--infallible and inerrant--but how would you present that to a college student that has been told that it is just another religious book? What if he asked you about the difference between pluralism and exclusivity--post modernism? What would you say? Could you define tolerance? Do you even understand their relevance in todays world as it relates to being an effective witness in today's culture? 20 years ago you could say to just about anybody on the street that they need to be saved and they would have known what you were talking about, but in today's society, with all the cultural blending and the revisionists efforts that have been taking place in our schools text books over the past 2 decades, many , if not most wouldn't have a clue as to what you are talking about.It's a different age and a new world out there. This is my objective. First to have a working knowledge of the Scriptures. Second, to be able to defend the infallibilty and inerrancy of the Word aginst its detractors and to be able to dissect the various arguments against Christianity, by givingthe facts that concern their either deliberate or ignorant viewpoints about Scripture, Christ's resurrection, the historicity of Christ, and the ability to compare and understand the outlines of different religions, so as to be able to point to the errors thay contain, as well as to the motives behind their inceptions.
Let me give you a brief example of what I am talking about.Nehemiah 2 speaks about Nehemiah and his conversation with Artaxerxes, the son of Xerxes, of the book of Esther.He pleas with the king to allow him to return to Jerusalem to rebuild , without ever mentioning Jerusalem.It would have been offensive to do soHis basis is that it is the place of his ancestors tombs. The reason he comes from this angle is because, in Persian culture this is of utmost concern, and the king can relate to this. Secondly, he comes to him and the king asks him why he is sad in his prsence.Nehemiah was very afraid at this. Why? Because it was a capital offense to be sad in the presence of Artaxerxes.He could have been killed for nothing more than being sad in the kings presence.These are cultural points that , if not interjected, would detract from what was actually taking place here. Also, Nehemiah used his knowledge of the Persian culture to relate to the king. It worked, because he sent him with everything needed to acomplish the task.It takes some knowledge provided inthese resources to gain certaininsights that are pertinent. God doesn't inspire these, but he does give gifted men the ability to collect and distribute this needed information.

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Manuman; The weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty thru God to the pulling down of strong holds. The God of the bible has promised to give what is needed in that day. All the writers that you refer to are as you said, not perfect, in deed or doctrine. God is perfect, his word is perfect, converting the soul. If I know him and his word, I have something to offer the sinner reqardless of the condition of the world. The worse the condition, the more I must rely on Him and not on the weak and beggerly elements. It is a spiritual warfare that we are in. You can fight it with carnal knowledge if you want, but my bible says that they which do know their God shall be strong and do exploits. I can do all things throughChrist who strengtheneth me. The scripture even tells us what to study, Study to show thyself aproved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, righty dividing the Word of Truth.
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