John 17:5 - "And now Father, glorify me in Your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began."
Here Jesus stated that He was with the Father before the world began.
Colossians 1:13-20 "For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities all things were created by him and for him. He is before all things and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead so that in everything He might have the supremacy. For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him and through him to reconcile to himself all things whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross."
Here, we see the term "Son of God", brought to light: "the image of the invisible God".
Hebrews 1:1-3 "In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days He has spoken to us by His Son whom He appointed heir of all things and through whom He made the universe. The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of His being, sustaining all things by His powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven."
Again, we see the relationship between the Father and the Son disclosed, "the exact representation of His being".
John 1:1-3, 10, 14, 18 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through Him all things were made; without Him, nothing was made that has been made......(10) He was in the world and though the world was made through Him, the world did not recognize Him....(14) The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us. We have seen His glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father full of grace and truth......(18) No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side has made Him known."
John 14:8, 10 "Don't you know me Phillip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, "Show us the Father"? Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me?"
Jesus plainly told Phillip, "Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father".
From these verses we see that in Christ, the invisible God is revealed. Jesus was with the Father before the world began. Christ, as God the Son, is the Creator of all things. God in all His fullness, dwelt in Christ, reconciling the world. We see that Christ, as the Son of God - God's representation, is God manifest and revealed to the world. Angels, prophets, and things can reveal to us something about God. But God alone can reveal God. It takes God to reveal Himself to mankind. What better way for the eternal revealer to be revealed to mankind on earth than by clothing His self-expresion in human form?
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RE: The Father in The Son and The Son In the Father
Amen Brother Alex;I agree 100 percent but what I like most about your post is there isn't any qoutes or references to outside sources. Just simple quotes, backed with chapter verse and line. There is no way to stray from the Truth if one stays with what God says. Anything brought in from outside the written scripture, is subject to human error, or worse, deliberate twisting of the truth for some gain. I would like to see scripture in rebuttal, if these scriptures are misleading and the Father is not in the Son. If they are seperate and distinct from each other, I would think that there would be at least one scripture that says that they are seperate. Jesus plainly said, I and my Father are one. God plainly said, Hear O Israel, the Lord our God is one Lord, and him only shalt thou serve. If those things were not true, don't you think there would be a scripture that declares, I and my Father are two? Or, I and my Father are seperate?, Or, hear O Israel the Lords our Gods are triune and them only shalt thou serve?
I am more than willing to change my views if, my views are contary to the scripture that God has given. In my limited knowledge, I find not scripture to refute those that you have posted.
RE: The Father in The Son and The Son In the Father
Okay, just remember to be consistent in the keeping of your stipulation--let the Word speak for itself.
Your verse that I am in the Father and the father is in me.( Not saying anywhere that they are one and the same, but that they are in complete agreement.)
2 Cor 13:14--..the grace of Christ, AND the love of God(the Father), AND the fellowship of the Holy Spirit..
Matt 29:19--...baptizing in the name of the Father, AND the Son, And the Holy Spirit..
Matt 3: 16,17--After Jesus was baptized, He went up immediately from the water. The heavens opened for Him, amd He saw the Spirit descending like a dove and coming down ON Him. And there came a voice from heaven:This is my beloved Son. I take delight in Him.(Hewasn't looking in a mirror and talking to Himself!)
Gen 1:1-3--Let US make man in OUR image...
Isaiah's vision--Whom shall I send, who will go for us..
Gal 4:4-6, Eph 1:13,14,2:18-22 1 Cor 12:4-6
RE: The Father in The Son and The Son In the Father
Forgot one--a very important one too.
2 John 9,10--Anyone who does not remian in the teaching about Christ, but goes beyond it, does not have God.The one who remains in that teaching has BOTH the Father and the Son.
RE: The Father in The Son and The Son In the Father
Greg, this is Jesus speaking. Am I to understand you right and notbelieve this?
John 14:8, 10 "Don't you know me Phillip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, "Show us the Father"? Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me?"
Jesus plainly told Phillip, "Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father".
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RE: The Father in The Son and The Son In the Father
John20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
The Father in The Son and The Son In the Father
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