Lol Dave, you may not get many takers here. Although there are many that profess to be christians that never read their bible. I once dated a lady that was well respected not only in her church but in many churches in the community. She sang really well and sang at all the revivals. By her appearance and actions she seemed the epitome of christian virtue. It was only on the surface however. After really getting to know her I learned that she scoffed at the bible as "just a bunch of stuff written by man". And her "non public self was vile and bitter.
So I guess it is possible for one to be ignorant or in defiance of the Bible and to still profess to be "christian". That don't make it so tho. I take anyones claim to believe we came from apes and also profess to be christian to mean that they have been duped by their own intellect, or as a ploy to try to gain advantage of some type in these evolution debates. If that is truley the case I would find it comical if I didn't know that I should find it sad.
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Given the climate of our culture today, and the desire for 'relevance' nad to be considered learned or open minded--I would say that very definitely one could be a believer, and still be convinced of evolution. THat doesn't change the fact that they are diametrically opposed to one another, and entirely incompatible. But, the current trends and 'official' stance of TOE as being beyond approach, inspite of the obvious stretches and gaps, makes it compelling for some to attempt to rectify the 2. But, once it is closely examined--that is an impossible task. Either God created or we are the product of chance--and please don't say that evolution was the agent God used--that is insulting to both sides and any thinking persons intelligence.Our standing, positionally before God changes immediately at conversion--but each person is as different in their make up as there are variables in mathematics--and the Lord accepts all of us in spite of what form of shortcomings or 'fleshliness' we come to Him in. We are to be transformed by the renewing of our minds, and this is a process of detangling our own unique and diverse mind sets in as much as they are in opposition to His will and ways. This renewal is how all of us prove what is the good and acceptable will of God.I don't have it all together by any stretch, so I always allow for as much room as He has given me--which is a lot.So, in spite of how I may be perceived--I don't make any judgemnets about one's standing before God, based on anything other than His ability to see and know where all of us stand--and I can only speak for myself.I truly believe that one can be a believer and an evolutionist--but not in a manner consistent with the Word.I am certain that there are those that can take me to task on some areas where I am in dire straits, so I wish to do as Paul says, to take heed if any man think he stands--pride comes before a fall.
Dave H for me, evolution is a non-issue.
One still must believe that Adam was not desended from a common ancester of the ape, regardless ofwhat a person might see asthe possiable ramifactions of the Nephillim or the meaning of "day".
So for me, it is a non-issue.
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Science generally seeks to understand how things work and under what conditions an activity will take place. Religion, on the other hand, seeks to answer even more difficult, ultimate questions related to our place and purpose as humans. Why are we here? Who made us? And how should we live? So, as an initial response to the question, "Can a Christian believe in evolution?" we suggest that evolutionary explanations answer specific questions from a naturalistic perspective. These answers should be viewed as complementing, not competing with, those derived from the Bible.
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I think what both camps on this issue have missed is, that science is the way humans measure events and things.
But they have forgotten the first rule in science which is that of "cause and effect."
There is no cause without having an effect. So when "God said let there be" things began to evolve including life.
No one knows how He did it ,but He was the cause.
So scientists only see the effect of that which was created by His power and design and can only measure it by the standards of science in a tridemensional level.
But guess what ? God doesn't belong in a tri-dimensional universe, He exists outside time and space, so Him and His handy work cannot be measured, so this debate will continue until He reveals Himself to mankind.
and then we can all see and Know How He did it all.
To Him Be praise and honor And Glory. Amen
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Can one be a Christian and also an evolutionist???? Well not in my opinion, evolution is not only full of holes, but it ignores any sort of guidance that led to the world and life on it today. ID of the theorys out there today is the only one that comes close to what is reality, there was Intelligent Design to everything and the designer was God!
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You really aught to forget about this issue for a while DaveH.
You mean, like YOU do Sylvan?
manuman--I agree that somone can accept Christ as Saviour and yet be duped in believing the lie of evolution. I don't believe that they can take the Biblical account of creation and combine it with evolution because they are diametrically opposed. We're in complete agreement, I just wanted to clarify what I meant.
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Can you believe the Bible AND Evolution?
