I've heard this expression before, but haven't given it much thought until reading it recently in the 'denominational' thread. I can see where it came from:
Mary is mother of Jesus.
Jesus is fully God.
Therefore, Mary is mother of God.
There is a problem though, it occurs to me. Jesus is fully God and fully man. Mary gave birth to the man part. God existed already. She is not mother of God.
Am I misunderstanding those who use that phrase? Is my point valid?
I assume you were referring to my recent post in another thread. Sorry, I can't help you there. I am not catholic, but protestant (full Gospel). I was using the term as the Catholic Church uses it, and not as I do. Anyway, God sees the heart, and so what seems innocent to us may be vile to God. Likewise, what seems profane to me may not seem so to God.
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I assume you were referring to my recent post in another thread. Sorry, I can't help you there. I am not catholic, but protestant (full Gospel). I was using the term as the Catholic Church uses it, and not as I do. Anyway, God sees the heart, and so what seems innocent to us may be vile to God. Likewise, what seems profane to me may not seem so to God.
I hear you, Susquach. But you've peaked my curiosity. I hope someone can fill me in.
It is imperative that you know whether these statements are from God or merely traditions of men. Therefore, we will examine each statement:
[ul][*]Asking Mary to pray for us: A tradition of men, not found in the Bible.[*]Mother of Mercy: Another tradition of men.[*]Mary is the All Holy One: A tradition of men. We've already shown that God is the only "All Holy One."[*]Mary welcomes us at death: A tradition of men, not taught in the Bible.[*]Mary leads us to Jesus: Another tradition of men, not found in God's Word. [/ul]
Please understand, Catholic friend, God never said any of these things. They are all traditions that came from the minds of early Catholic leaders:
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Don't worry, I'm about as thick skinned as you can get. The only thing I don't agree with is the part about Mary meeting us at Death. I've never heard that. I've only heard the story about St. Peter being at the Pearly Gates.
I don't argue that many traditions have been started by man. There are many traditions started by man that appear to be O.K. with a lot of folk. Wearing a cross around your neck comes to mind.
As far as Mary goes,She is considered the Mother of God. When we say that, we're refering to her being chosen by God to give birth to hisSon Jesus. We dosay prayers that could be considered praying to her, butthereality is thatwe are praying "through" her. We only ask Mary to pray for us. Samewith the Saints. Make sense? Any questions past this, I'll have tomake a visit to my priest, so the answers may not come fast.
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There is a problem though, it occurs to me. Jesus is fully God and fully man. Mary gave birth to the man part. God existed already. She is not mother of God.
Give the man a cigar....I agree completly.
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I was following along in the Bible in Church Sunday, and these verses (not part of the pastor's message) lept out at me.
Luke 11:27 And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. 28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.
Does this not imply that Mary is no greater than any Christian?
Mary, mother of God?
