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Old 10-19-2005, 03:51 PM   #1
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Reading the exorcism thread prompts this question. Particularly Chad and Snooky's discussion.

I say that the Bible is the written word, but the two are not synonomous.

In John, we learn that the Word has existed since creation. Of course, the Bible was written much later.

The word is undeniably perfect. The Bible has forms that are twisted and not true, referring to various versions and translations, that is.

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Here's another: The Word represents the one and only truth. While the same truth is contained in the Bible, different readers take away different "truths."
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The Word IMHO also has synonyms in the Old Testaments with words such as precepts, the law of the Lord, statutes of the Lord, commandments of the Lord and the oracles of God. Might even be more.See Psalm 119 for all of these and maybe more.
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Old 10-19-2005, 06:17 PM   #4
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The Bible contains the Word of God as it has been translated down thru the ages. This can be a really deep well of a subject when we consider that in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and was God. I don't want to get myself into trouble here by trying to express what I really don't have words for. I'll say this much tho . . . .I don't believe that one . . .in all scripture. . can pick up a bible and casually read it and say "there, I have understanding knowledge of the word of God". To go a little farther . . ." The word was made flesh and dwelt among men" . . .I believe the word is now dwelling among us in the form of the Holy Spirit and that He will lead us with the aid of the written word, and preaching, and hearing, into all truth. I would never say that the bible is lacking anything . . .I believe that everything we need is there and that all revelation or umption that we have should line up perfectly with the word rightly divided in context with the truth that is intended.
Heres just a thought . .In my wifes Spanish Bible, John 1:1 is rendered: "In the beggining was the verb, and the verb was with God, and the verb was God." Can we safely say that the word of God is more than letters on a page? Could it possibly be that the word of God is action? . . .power in action? . . .seeing how He spoke the earth, etc into existance?
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The Word is what we In Judaism call "TORAH" and in Christian theology is known as the pentateuch, it is the first Five books of the Old testament, it is not inspired ,it is dictated from God's mouth to Moses ears.
God told moses ,write all these words and He told him how to writte them and in what order to even put the letters, today we realize why.It is written in a grid pattern and can be read in Hebrew as up and down or diagnolly or in several different ways, and these patterns contain hidden messages or codes ,these are called bible codes today, it takes a computer to decifered them, but my grand father could read them and that is where he found out the man Yeshua was the promised messiah all in the book of genesis and Isaiah.
The rest of the old testament is called the Tenach ,that are inspired Books, the New Testament is Inspired writtings but not dictated as the Torah was.

Other sections of what we call the Books of the prophets some parts were dictated and most was also inspired.

Some preachers like to use the words of the prophets and they quote and say ,"Thus sayeth the Lord" and then they read an inspired letter from Paul, so in fact they are in error, because God didn't say that,Paul was inspired by God to writte it and he also included a lot of his personality as well as thoughts.

We should refrain from saying "thus sayeth The Lord" unless you heard the Lord audible as the Prophet Samuel and he spoke to you audible ,then you can say thus sayeth the Lord.

If you are quoting from the Torah (first 5 books of the Bible) then you can say Thus said the Lord.

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Bro eto; That is a good thought and worthy of looking into. Jo 1:1 comes to mind. The word is translated from the word "logos", or the blueprint, pattern, or plan. The logos was in the beginning, was with God, and was God. The logos was made manifest and we beheld his glory as of the only begotten son of God. The angels said to call his name Jesus. Is 9:6 declares the logos born would be called The Mighty God. Rev 1:8 The logos declares himself the Alpha and Omega, first and last, The lord, which is and is to come, the Almighty. Now the question, is there a time or place where the word ceases to be the word? IMO There is only one WORD. If it is Gods thoughts, it is The Word. If it is become flesh, it is The Word. If it is written, it is The Word. Regardless of the manner of manifestation to men, there is but One God. Since the Word was God, regardless of how it is presented, there is but One Word.
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Pretty cool having you around Aleph. Don't get blown away with the storm . . .find high ground and hunker down . .I'm not thru with you yet!
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There ya go Bro Snooky . . .you got that bear treed!
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Messianic Jews we call the Logos , The Torah or the living Torah which took flesh and lived amongst us.

Jewish scholars will tell you that the Torah existed even before the foundation of the world, therefore the Torah is God in manifestation, then He gave it to us to transmit to the world, we did a poor Job because Jews do not evengelize, therefore the Spoken Torah came in the Flesh to reveal Himself to His creation, to announce that all things are made anew with the Father, that no longer we have to live separated it from him, that through His own Human self sacrifice and the shedding of his Blood we can become one with the father and the creator, and reestablish the same relationship our Parents Isher and Isha (Adam and Eve) had With Him.
The Word became then The second Isha perfect in everyway asthey were in the past by also becoming the Spiritual Isha(Adam)he can interceed for our sins and that of the whole World.

No longer would He hold us Guilty of any sin if we trust in His atonement, YESHUA !

This how we understand "The Word" (Torah).

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Thankyou all for the discussion. It has certainly added some perspective. I'll continue to ponder this.
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