The Death Of Jesus The Christ

Leafrivermac · 10-11-2005, 06:13 PM

I believe that God came in the flesh to make a way for fallen humanity. His incarnation was for the purpose of atonement. The death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ is the Gospel in my opinion. I find it unique that christianity, unlike any other religion that comes to mind, has the death of it's founder as essential to its message.
Folk complain about the same old topics . . .I don't recall this one being discussed before. What are your thoughts on why death and blood was necessary for atonement?

mr-pirk · 10-11-2005, 07:42 PM

Leaf River Mac an interesting topic, I had written a few quick thoughts, but on second thought I think I may ponder this one a bit.

Thanks for making me put my thinking cap on.
Mr-Pirk

Tazman · 10-12-2005, 04:56 AM

Leaf this one has got me thinking, I am sure that no one will disagree with me when I say that Gods plan for mans salvation is what he wished it to be, he could have made the plan any way he wished, God could have simply granted salvation to those who led a good life and damned those who didn't. He could have done what ever he wished.

I feel thatGod loves us so much that He provided us with a clear path to Salvation through his Son, Jesus the Christ, and part of that plan was to show us how much He loved us by allowing his Son to pay the ultimate price for our sins and provide us a path through Christ back to him. I find it unique like you do that Christianity is the only religion where God the Father has shown his love for us by basically sacrificing His only Son to atone for our sins.

Leafrivermac · 10-12-2005, 04:25 PM

Would it be correct to say that the essence of God"™s very nature is holiness? I believe that by the nature of His holiness that He cannot have fellowship with sinful humanity. God separates Himself from sin. God is the source of all life . . .separation from God means death . . .spiritually and physically. Eternal separation from God is the ultimate spiritual death. (Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.)
Gods law requires death as the penalty for sin. (Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord) I think we can look at it like God has chosen to bind Himself with the principle of death for sin. Without the shedding of blood, ( death ) there is no release from this penalty or fellowship with God. (Heb 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.)

The death of animals wasn"™t enough for the remission of our sins, (Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins) . . .we were made higher than animals, we were made in the image of God. No ordinary person would do as a sacrifice because there was no sinless person and we each deserved to die for our own sins.
God is sinless . . .but as a Spirit He didn"™t shed blood . . .much less die. So in order to provide a suitable substitute, God came to earth as a sinless man . . .Jesus the Christ. Christ was the only man that was sinless, . .the only one that did not deserve to die . . .a perfect substitute, for you and I.

MOTOWNHONKEY · 10-12-2005, 04:42 PM

AMEN Leaf. Great post.

Alex The Hawk · 10-12-2005, 04:58 PM

I understand your post, but if I may add.

Christianity is not unique because its founder died but rather than the Founder walked out of the tomb 3 days later.
Mohamed died and it is burried still dead
Crishna die and he is burried,still dead
Buddha died and he is burried and still dead.

Jesus die and is alive ! big difference don't you think ?

Leafrivermac · 10-12-2005, 05:35 PM

Good point Alex, I have it in mind to do seperate threads on the death, burial, and resurection. I was thinking that a "death of Jesus" thread might seem to neglect the resurection but I wanted to focus on why His death was necessary.

m.t.hands · 10-12-2005, 05:40 PM

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I find it unique that christianity, unlike any other religion that comes to mind, has the death of it's founder as essential to its message.

i think the key word here is unique, one of a kind

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Mohamed died and it is burried still dead
Crishna die and he is burried,still dead
Buddha died and he is burried and still dead.

manuman · 10-12-2005, 08:27 PM

As was pointed out by DaveH earlier, and now by Mac(bout time he got one right

)--the 2 most essential facts to establish is the creation story in Genesis and then Christ's historical resurection on the NT. Both have been under scrutiny and attack by none other than the devil himself, through Darwinism and then the multiple attacks on the credibility of the resurection. I would like to recommend a resource for the resurection, notthat you need convincing, but to answer the skeptics. It is Lee Strobel's THE CASE FOR CHRIST. It is written by a former skeptical law professor , who was challenged by a student to refute the resurection in the same manner that he would approach a case. He took the challenge, expecting to come out proving its being unable to be verified, but after an intense investigation, and an honest assesment, became convinced, but then took it to another level and applied it's truth to his life and became a believer. Very good read.

motor · 10-12-2005, 08:53 PM

I agree completely Mac, E-Nuff said!