Porter kinda brought this up, and it was bugging my mind so when I noticed this scripture and did a little study, I came up with this. Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: I see that Jesus did not come in sinful flesh, but in the "likeness" of
sinful flesh.
Jesus came as the second Adam, the second representative of the human race, so that thru His obedience He could restore to humanity everything that Adam lost thru his disobedience (Rom 5:12-21, 1Cor 15:45-49) God gave the human race a fresh start with Christ so that He might yet have the perfect humanity He originally int6ended when He created Adam. God will conform His church to the image of Christ, that Christ might become the first born of a new, spiritual family of humans who have overcome sin and death (Romans 8:29). To fulfill this role Christ came with an innocent , perfect, humanity like Adam had in the beginning.
Since Christ was a decendant of Adam thru Mary, how did he avoid inheiriting Adams sinful nature, unlike the rest of the race? From a legal viewpoint, the sinful nature comes from the Father. Altho Eve actually sinned first, Adams sin had the legal consequences for the race. The Father of Jesus was the Holy Spirit of God, so Jesus did not have a sinful father from which to inheirit a sinful nature. Also the Spirit of God sanctified Christ in the womb of Mary, separating Him from any taint of sin and keeping Him pure.
PS. . .I'm having to type my replies on a word document and then post in here. It's not letting me format very well so my apoligies for the sloppiness.
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First babies are not born in sin. If babies were born in sin then every baby that died would go to hell. Thats were sin sends you. We have many examples in the Bible to go to.In 2 Samuel 12, King David"s newborn son fell terminally ill. After seven days, the child died. In verses 22 and 23, the Bible records that David said: "While the child was alive, I fasted and wept; for I said, "Who can tell whether the Lord will be gracious to me, that the child may live?" But now he is dead; why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me." It is clear that David"s dead infant son would never return to this Earth, but David also said that one day, he would go to be with his son. Through inspiration, David documented that his own eternal destination was going to be "in the house of the Lord" (Psalm 23:6). Therefore, we can conclude that "the house of the Lord" would be the eternal destination of his infant son to whom David would one day go. King David was looking forward to the day when he would be able to meet his son in heaven. Absolutely nothing in this context gives any hint that the dead infant son"s soul would go to hell.
Furthermore, Jesus said in Matthew 18:3-5:
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Assuredly, I say to you, unless you are converted and become as little children, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven. Therefore whoever humbles himself as this little child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. Whoever receives one little child like this in My name receives Me.
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And in Luke 18:16-17, Jesus remarked: "Let the little children come to Me, and do not forbid them; for of such is the kingdom of God. Assuredly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God as a little child will by no means enter it."
Therefore, we have been given a specific example in the Old Testament of an infant who died and would live forever in heaven. And Jesus Christ Himself, in the New Testament, stated that little children retain the qualities that make a person eligible to inherit the kingdom of God. We see, then, that infants and small children that die are in a safe state, and will live eternally in heaven.
With such clear statements from the Bible about the eternal destiny of dead infants and small children, why have religious people mistakenly taught that babies go to hell when they die? Due to the influential nature of John Calvin and his teachings, many people have taught that sin is "passed" from one generation to the next. It is believed by many religious people that children "inherit" the sins of their parents. Yet, the Bible pointedly and explicitly teaches that such is not the case. In Ezekiel 18:20, the Bible says: "The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son." Also, in Exodus 32, Moses pleaded with God to forgive the sins of the Israelites when he said: "Yet now, if You will forgive their sin"but if not, I pray, blot me out of Your book which You have written. And the Lord said to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book"" (Exodus 32:32-33). The Bible is plain in its teaching that babies do not inherit the sins of their parents.
Then where does the sin come from ?? Mini evolution after birth ?????? Sin is inherited from Adam and eve who sinned.
In Ezekiel 18:20, the Bible says: "The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son."
Chuck, the scriptures say that Christ had genuine and complete humanity. He was physically descended of Adam and Eve, Abraham, David and Mary. "For as much then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, He also Himself likewise took part of the same. . .for verily He took not on Him the nature of angels; but He took on Him the seed of Abraham. Wherefore in all things it behooved Him to be made like unto His brethren" (Hebrews 2:14, 16-17.) Jesus "was made of the seed of David according to the flesh" (Romans 1:3). Hebrews 5:7-8"Who in the days of His flesh, when He had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared; though he were a son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered." shows One who wrestled with human emotions and weakness:
Just exactly as any human was tempted the man Jesus Christ was tempted also:Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
I personally think that a lot of the misunderstanding we have on this subject comes from the defining differences between "born in sin" and being "born under the condemnation of sin". Also, as to the "tempted" issue, I would like to know if/when the line is drawn between temptation, desire, and sin. It's not a sin to be tempted.But is desire temptation or sin? Is desire lust or is it the effects of temptation?
I know at Gethsemane, Christ seemingly wrestled with a desire to not have to go forward to the cross. Was He tempted by desire/dread? . . .I think so . . .but we know that He was sinless.
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I'm not what I ought to be
I'm not what I wish to be I'm not what I hoped to be But by God's grace and Jesus' love I'm not what I used to be!
Pss.51 [1] Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy lovingkindness: according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions.
[2] Wash me throughly from mine iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin.
[3] For I acknowledge my transgressions: and my sin is ever before me.
[4] Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, and be clear when thou judgest.
[5] Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me. [6] Behold, thou desirest truth in the inward parts: and in the hidden part thou shalt make me to know wisdom.
[7] Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean: wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow.
[8] Make me to hear joy and gladness; that the bones which thou hast broken may rejoice.
[9] Hide thy face from my sins, and blot out all mine iniquities.
[10] Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.
[11] Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.
[12] Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit. [13] Then will I teach transgressors thy ways; and sinners shall be converted unto thee.
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Jesus said, "he who stands firm to the end will be saved" Mark 13:13.
Live Life in such a way that those who do not know Christ will come to know Him because they know you
Aaaah ! here I go, have you consider that Adam was not always sinful ?
Have you consider then that therefore the DNA stock from where Adam was made can also be the one Used By The Holy Spirit to create the body of Christ ?
Adam was called the son of God, and also Yeshua was the Son Of God.
Adam was the First Adam, Yeshua the Second Adam from Heaven, so where was his essence kept for thousands of years before being borned?
What About the verses that say ,"You have prepared Me A Body" Who is it talking about ?
And it also says in "the depness of the earth you saw my essence" Who is that refering to ?
Yeshua speaking to the Sanhedrin said , "Before Abraham I was"
Was he speaking of His Godliness or His body already prepared to be placed in Mary(Mariame) ?
If your mind Just blew don't blame me,I don't carry liability Insurance for blown minds, LOL
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"Blessed is He who Comes in The Name of The Lord"
Born under sin?
