Does the book of 1 Timothy teach us that salvation can be lost?

etothepii · 09-26-2005, 09:45 AM

From my initial study, it seems that one can fall from their salvation:

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1 Timothy 3:
1 This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; 5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) 6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.

Or give up their salvation:

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1 Timothy 4:
1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

I know this is potentially a contentious topic, so please be quick to hear, slow to speak, and slow to anger.

I know the Bible says that no man can take away your salvation. I think there is ample proof that once you inherit the kingdom, that can never be taken away too.

My take on it used to be that "salvation" only occurs after judgement, that no man walking the earth is actually "saved." But Snooky referred me to several verses that refer to men being "saved" in their lives.

So. in my mind, I still have some confusion here.

I do not believe that each time one sins, his or her salvation needs to be earned back.

LBR · 09-26-2005, 09:55 AM

It means what it says Eto. I have a very similar viewpoint as you on this. It's appointed once for a man to die, then face the judgement. If one is sealed in this life, what is the point and purpose in facing judgement?

Timothy isn't the only one who warns about this. Consider what Paul said to the Galatians. 5:4 "Christ is become of no effect unto you, whsoever of you are justfied by the law; ye are fallen from grace." Doesn't get much plainer than that.

We don't earn our salvation to begin with--it's a free gift, although we do have to meet the conditions God set forth to accept it. Once in contact with the blood of Christ, it will continue to cleanse as long as there is repentance. Christ will never turn away from us, but man can turn away from Him.

Chad

Chuck7 · 09-26-2005, 10:27 AM

"He that endures to the end shall be saved."

etothepii · 09-26-2005, 10:46 AM

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ORIGINAL: Chuck7

"He that endures to the end shall be saved."

Exactly. When we say we are saved, or were saved 15 years ago, or whatever, we are saying that we were born again, and have accepted God's offer for salvation through Christ Jesus. That's why we consider ourselves saved.

We do not know the future though. God does. So we may very well be saved from that day. Since we don't know what the future will hold for us though, we have to live assuming that we could "blow it." We must endure to the end.

LBR · 09-26-2005, 11:00 AM

I'd forgotten that one Chuck--thanks! Short, sweet, and to the point. Wish I could remember the book/chapter/verse.....I can find it though.

Chad

LBR · 09-26-2005, 11:09 AM

Matt. 10:22

Chuck7 · 09-26-2005, 11:41 AM

Chad,
Yeah...I was there in my Bible on my lunch break today. That doctrine will keep ya on your toes.It makes you live Romans 12:1,2 daily.
Chuck

motor · 09-26-2005, 02:36 PM

you can fall from grace with out losing your salvation..

Chuck7 · 09-26-2005, 03:15 PM

Motor,
Could you explain that to me brother?
Thanks Chuck

strut · 09-26-2005, 07:03 PM

Re 3:5
He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Re 22:19
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.