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Old 09-19-2005, 07:50 AM   #1
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Matt.
10:1
And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.
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Matt.
21:23
And when he was come into the temple, the chief priests and the elders of the people came unto him as he was teaching, and said, By what authority doest thou these things? and who gave thee this authority?

21:24
And Jesus answered and said unto them, I also will ask you one thing, which if ye tell me, I in like wise will tell you by what authority I do these things.

21:25
The baptism of John, whence was it? from heaven, or of men? And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From heaven; he will say unto us, Why did ye not then believe him?

21:26
But if we shall say, Of men; we fear the people; for all hold John as a prophet.

21:27
And they answered Jesus, and said, We cannot tell. And he said unto them, Neither tell I you by what authority I do these things.
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Mark
1:22
And they were astonished at his doctrine: for he taught them as one that had authority, and not as the scribes.
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John
5:26
For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;

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And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
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Matt.
4:21
And going on from thence, he saw other two brethren, James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother, in a ship with Zebedee their father, mending their nets; and he called them.
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Luke
6:13
And when it was day, he called unto him his disciples: and of them he chose twelve, whom also he named apostles;
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Luke
10:1
After these things the LORD appointed other seventy also, and sent them two and two before his face into every city and place, whither he himself would come.
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John
15:16
Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
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Acts
1:24
And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen,
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Acts
13:2
As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.
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2 Cor.
10:8
For though I should boast somewhat more of our authority, which the Lord hath given us for edification, and not for your destruction, I should not be ashamed:
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1 Tim.
2:7
Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.
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Heb.
5:4
And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron.
In reading the above scripture does any one here feel that the speak or act in authority as mentioned here? I claim no such authority and as a result when I express my beleifs it is my opinion and not Gospel. I will not put claim to my beleifs being 100% accurate, they are not, I do not have the understanding as Christ or the Apostles had of the scriptures and would really worry about myself if I claimed I did.

Is there anyone here that can say they do speak with authority or then that granted by themselves or man?
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Old 09-19-2005, 08:05 AM   #2
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But if we shall say, Of men; we fear the people; for all hold John as a prophet.
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In reading the above scripture does any one here feel that the speak or act in authority as mentioned here? I claim no such authority and as a result when I express my beleifs it is my opinion and not Gospel. I will not put claim to my beleifs being 100% accurate, they are not, I do not have the understanding as Christ or the Apostles had of the scriptures and would really worry about myself if I claimed I did.

Is there anyone here that can say they do speak with authority or then that granted by themselves or man?
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Gosh bro.Taz, who on this forum is considered authorized to speak with authority?
IMHO, I believe everyone has the right to express thier beliefs. Who on here has the authority to correct them?
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Old 09-19-2005, 08:46 AM   #3
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Very good reply Bro Reb. There are those who have man given authority to correct or delete, but who has God given authority to correct??

Bro Taz; If one believes in the spiritual gifts, the answer seems to be "yes" by necessity. God could choose at any time to speak through one of his Spirit filled children. The authority would be given for that time only and not be a permenant authority as some seem to view God's spiritual gifts. Just as with the gift of healing, when given one doesn't just run around at random healing everyone that he sees. The gift of tongues when given doesn't mean that one spends the rest of his life just speaking in tongues. The gift of prophecy doesn't cause one to spend his life saying "thus saith The Lord". The gift only surfaces when God chooses to manifest that gift through the person who has been choosen excercise it for him.
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Old 09-19-2005, 09:18 AM   #4
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Just as with the gift of healing, when given one doesn't just run around at random healing everyone that he sees.
When I think of all the false healers over the years, it really makes me wonder about those who claim to speak with authority.
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Old 09-19-2005, 09:25 AM   #5
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Gosh bro.Taz, who on this forum is considered authorized to speak with authority?
IMHO, I believe everyone has the right to express thier beliefs. Who on here has the authority to correct them?
No one I know of Brother. Excellent reply BTW.

Bro. Snooky I concur with you also, there are times when God speaks through someone to someone else.

Where I am going with this is when it comes to defining Gods words to us. Is there one amoung us who can say "I have been authorized to speak with authority when it comes scripture?

Do not get me wrong there are some things in scripture when the Bible is taken as a whole that leaves no doubt in ones mind what is true because there is not a single piece of scripture that could lead one to beleive otherwise, amoung those are that Christ was born of a virgin birth and his mother was Mary. Even the followers of Islam beleive in the virgin birth of Christ. Kind of leaves me stratching my head as to how they can beleive this and not accept Christ as the Messiah.
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Old 09-19-2005, 10:37 AM   #6
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Taz; John 16:13 Tells us that The Spirit of Truth, when He is come, will guide you into all truth. I don't see a man being given this authority because the scripture has said, "ask and ye shall receive, seek and ye shall find, knock and it shall be opened unto you" Also, "if any man lack wisdom, let him ask of God who giveth to all men liberally". God has given some teachers for the purpose of presenting the word and helping others understand what is written. The word of wisdom could also come into play, but to say that any one man has the authority that you speak of, I don't think so.
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Amen, broSnooky!
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Amen Brother Snooky, my feelings exactly.
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In short, no I do not. Some claim this--you can see them on television at pretty much any given time, I think--but they cannot back it up. Just as the gifts in Mark were given to prove the word they spoke was of God, any individual that claims to have this authority should also be able to perform miracles to prove that they were of God--I've yet to see it, or even hear of such being confirmed in public as the gifts in Mark obviously were.

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Chad; Are you giving your openion about the gifts in Mark 16, or are you speaking with authority? Either way IMHO one should have a scripture to back such a statement. What scripture says that the gifts were given to prove that the user of the gifts was speaking the words of God? Why does Gods word have to be accompanied by gifts to convince unbelievers of its authentiety? Since God is no respecter of persons, would he not be required by his own word to preform a miracle to every unbeliever until the end of the age, if in fact the purpose was to prove the word spokenwas from God?
If God's dealing with mankind has changed during the New Testament Church age, since pentecost, who has the authority to say when and how this took place unless it is written in the scripture? So don't we need a clear scripture reference, (not a read between the lines scripture) or a name of aurthority who spoke for God?
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