Isaiah 65:17-25, I need some insight

mr-pirk · 09-17-2005, 07:54 AM

If you are like me the more you think you know, the more you study andthe less you know.

I need some help understanding these verses. The "what", "when" and "where" of it all.

Thanks for any help you can offer.

Isaiah 65:17-25(New International Version)
New Heavens and a New Earth
17 "Behold, I will create
new heavens and a new earth.
The former things will not be remembered,
nor will they come to mind.
18 But be glad and rejoice forever
in what I will create,
for I will create Jerusalem to be a delight
and its people a joy.
19 I will rejoice over Jerusalem
and take delight in my people;
the sound of weeping and of crying
will be heard in it no more.
20 "Never again will there be in it
an infant who lives but a few days,
or an old man who does not live out his years;
he who dies at a hundred
will be thought a mere youth;
he who fails to reach [a] a hundred
will be considered accursed.
21 They will build houses and dwell in them;
they will plant vineyards and eat their fruit.
22 No longer will they build houses and others live in them,
or plant and others eat.
For as the days of a tree,
so will be the days of my people;
my chosen ones will long enjoy
the works of their hands.
23 They will not toil in vain
or bear children doomed to misfortune;
for they will be a people blessed by the LORD,
they and their descendants with them.
24 Before they call I will answer;
while they are still speaking I will hear.
25 The wolf and the lamb will feed together,
and the lion will eat straw like the ox,
but dust will be the serpent's food.
They will neither harm nor destroy
on all my holy mountain,"
says the LORD.
Footnotes:

Isaiah 65:20 Or / the sinner who reaches [/ol]
Thanks
Mr-Pirk

The Rev · 09-17-2005, 08:07 AM

I believe Isaiah is describing the Millennium Regin, where we will live on earth for a thousand years in perfection. Also in Ezekiel 40 and Exekiel 48:35.
I hope this helps.

Rebel Hog · 09-17-2005, 08:08 AM

Bro.Pirk, I needed to have it in front of me to see it better. Just checking all
the words left out and added. Sometime's it could mean different.

ISA.65: 17-25 (KJV)
[17] For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
[18] But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
[19] And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
[20] There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
[21] And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
[22] They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
[23] They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them.
[24] And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.
[25] The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.

mr-pirk · 09-17-2005, 08:30 AM

Rev that is my thoughts on it as well, but to tell the truth I am not very sure of my understanding of it.

Rebel Hog, it isthe birth anddeath still being mentionedthat has me so confused.

Are there any verses clearly showing when the events in the verses will end?

I am not disputing anything anyone has posted. I don't understand the finer points of these verses very well at all, I am just looking to gain a little better insight into them.

Thanks for the help.
Mr-Pirk

Rebel Hog · 09-17-2005, 08:47 AM

Bro.Pirk, If I knew those question's, I would surely hit the Power Ball
this week.

Alex The Hawk · 09-17-2005, 11:50 AM

Mr. Pirk, the Chapter you refer to is known as the Kingdom Chapter, It begins at the time of Jesus return to earth to Jerusalem specifically.
If you notice this is the culmination of the promise of the land of israel in its totatility to the Israelis.
the Israelis have never really owned the land totally or in peace since the times of Abraham.

So God's promised to Abraham is yet to be fulfilled.
When Jesus came, he came to fulfilled this promise, he did not come to the gentiles ,as he Stated ,"I came to the house of Israel".

But had He being accepted as the Messiah in that moment , the rest of the world would have being lost.
So God sent a spirit of blindness over the jews so that they would not recognize him in order to save the gentiles, read romans from chapter 9 on and you will see this explained.

So the times of the gentiles will end or is ending, Grace will be no more so freely given and God has turned His eyes over to Israel once again, with the formation of Israel as a nation in 1948 He has began his last days work and the church will soon dissapear.

Then he will return Physically and establish His kingdom from Jerusalem and even nature will revert to what it was originally, so that the life expand of a man would be great, it is said in other scritures that in the Kingdom a man 120 yrs old would be a teenager.

there will be still sin found in those remaining as normal human beings, so priests will be necessary still, this will be our part,
The saints ,those who have being resurrected and transformed alike, will be the kings and priests of His Majesty "Yeshua."

There will be still disputes because we see the 12 apostles as the Judges of the 12 tribes of Israel.

Does this open your understanding a bit more ?

Shalom

motor · 09-17-2005, 11:54 AM

In verse 17 Isaiah is looking further into the future than any other prophet.he is looking past the church age, past the tribulation and past the millenneium past the White Thone Judgment to the New Heavens and New Earth being the eternal state that John writes about in Rev. 21..and Jesus has created the New Jereusalem for His church..and as beautiful as this old earth is today,the beauty of the new one will no doubt be beyond our comprehension..there will be no more death, no sorrow, no tears in the new heaven and earth and the new jeresalum.
then in verse 20 he is talking about the millinnial kingdom where there will be children born and there will be death..man could live a thousand years and if one died at 100 years old they would be considered a child..
this is not Paradise, it is a time when Christ will rule with a rod of iron.and there will still be sinners bornat this time and death..death will cease after the Great White Thone Judgement.. now comes the new heaven and earth..

"1And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; AND THERE SHALL BE NO MORE DEATH, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. Rev.21:1-5 KJV.

Perfection does not come until after the White Throne Judgement..

mr-pirk · 09-17-2005, 12:11 PM

Alex " there will be still sin found in those remaining as normal human beings, so priests will be necessary still, this will be our part,
The saints ,those who have being resurrected and transformed alike, will be the kings and priests of His Majesty "Yeshua.' "

That is what I have been seeing in the scriptures too, I do have a question in my mind as to the 1000 years of peace being the time frame addressed by the scripture.

I lean towards it addressing the 1000 year reign mostly because that is the simplest way of looking at it.

What concerns me about though is that the scripture seems to be saying that these verses are written for the new earth and the new city is here, I didn't think the new earth occured till after the 1000 year reign.

I will study what everyone has posted for a while.

Thanks
Mr-Pirk

mr-pirk · 09-17-2005, 12:18 PM

Motor I am not sure if I am seeing the division in the subjects of the verses, to me they all seem to be addressing the same thing and times.

Not saying you are wrong, just saying I can't quite see the division.

Thanks
Mr-Pirk

motor · 09-17-2005, 01:36 PM

Keep studying it and you will see that there are a difference..the New Heaven and New Earth are eternal..the millennium is only a thousand years and then it ends.. there is sin born into the Millennium and death but in the NH and NE there is no sin or death..