Goose none of the verses you quoated shows a distinctiveness between God Jesus and the Holy Spirit, at best it shows that Part of What the Elohim is was still in Heaven at the time or before Jesus was baptised.
The Holy Spirit came upon him in the form of a dove and a voice spoke from heaven.
These were all visible and audible manifestations of God , so that the crowd would know who he was, specially John.
You go on to explain a nonesensical trinity specially as God being a Spirit but he has a Spirit called the holy Spirit.
Why would God as a Spirit Need another Spirit, no God is, so therefore He needs no other to exist.
God is holy therefore He being Holy and Been a Spirit He is the Holy Spirit.
There is no distictiveness between God the Father and the Holy Spirit, they are the same.
Before Jesus was borned there was only God The Spirit and after He was Borned He was still God, now having taken or participate of flesh as the Bible says, so he was still God.The Only One.
How the Trinity Became DoctrineDuring the days when Christ's apostles lived, the Gospel was taught with accuracy, but after their death, it did not take very long for the truth to become eroded with falsehoods.
This erosion of Biblical truth grew like a cancer -- slow, but sure. Little by little, inacuracy crept in as the Gospel message of Jesus Christ became more and more popular.
In an effort to increase the church membership, many Pagans were brought in and with the Pagans came Pagan ideas. Rituals began to replace serious Bible study and differences in opinion soon became the basis for growth of various creeds and sects. Ober the span of many years, man-made rites became time honored tradition.
Christian leaders then became powerful forces in the church as well as in politics; religious beliefs, many times, were dictated by the state. These facts, however, are not surpirsing considering the Biblical warning:
"First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy ever came by the impulse of man, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God."
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"But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them.... And many will follow their licentiousness, and because of them the way of truth will be reviled. And in their greed they will exploit you with false words...." (2 Peter 1:20-21; 2:1-3) [/blockquote]
Trinity Is Not A Christian Idea
One idea that became popular among Christians around the fourth century was that of a trinity of gods. It was not, however, a new idea conceived by Christians, for there is much evidence of widespread belief in similar ideas throughout earlier recorded history.
Many scholars believe that the Trinity, as taught by Christians, comes from Plato as suggested in the
Timaeus, but the Platonic trinity is itself merely a rearrangement of older trinities dating back to earlier peoples.
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In Indian religion there is the Trinitarian group of Brahma, Vishna, and Shiva; in Egyptian religion there is the group of Kneph, Phthas, and Osiris. In Phoenicia the trinity of gods were Ulomus, Ulosuros, and Eliun. In Greece they were Zeus, Poseidon, and Aidoneus.
In Rome they were Jupiter, Neptune, and Pluto. In Babylonia and Assyria they were Anos, lllinos, and Aos. Among Celtic nations they were called Kriosan, Biosena, and Siva, and in Germanic nations they were called Thor, Wodan, and Fricco.
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Trinities of gods existed in other cultures as well, including, but not limited to, those of Siberia, Persia, ***an, Scandinavia, and Mexico.
We can see, therefore, that although the Trinity is characteristic of the Christian religion, it is by no means peculiar to it.
Trinity Not Mentioned In Bible
The truth is that the Trinity isn't even mentioned in God's word, the Holy Bible.
(5) A check of any concordance will prove this fact. Not only is it not mentioned, but the doctrine is neither found in the New Testament,
(6) nor the Old Testament.
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Concerning Old Testament scriptures, "theologians today are in agreement that the Hebrew Bible does not contain a doctrine of the Trinity, even though it was customary in past dogmatic tracts .... to cite texts like Genesis 1:26 .... as proof of plurality in God."
(8) And "... in the New Testament the doctrine of the Trinity is not enunciated ..." but only "deduced from a collocation of passages ...."
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The Trinity, therefore, did not " ... reflect accurately early Christian teaching regarding the nature of God, it was, on the contrary, a divination from this teaching."
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"The formulation 'one God in three Persons' was not solidly established ... into Christian life ... prior to the 4th century.... Among the Apostolic Fathers, there has been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective."
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If the Trinity doctrine isn't Biblical in nature, how did it become a part of Christian dogma?
Idea of Trinity Evolved
"It is generally acknowledged that the church father Tertullian (ca. A.D. 145-220) either coined the term or was the first to use it with reference to God. The explicit doctrine was thus formulated in the post-biblical period...."
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The book
World Religions From Ancient History to the Present indicates that today's belief in the Trinity evolved over many years of heated political argument. The book states:
[blockquote]The great Arian controversy of the fourth century, which split the Church in two, stemmed from the preaching .... that the Son was a created being who did not eternally exist and, therefore, was a sort of demi-god, subordinate to the Father.
The Emperor Constantine summoned the first General Council of the Church of Niceae, in 325, to settle this dispute and so reunify the Church. It condemned the teaching of Arius and produced a creed which declared that the Son is of one substance with and co-eternal with the Father.
Theodosius I convened the second General Council at Constantinople, in 381, which endorsed his definition of Catholicism, finally condemned Arianism .... and reaffirmed the Nicene Creed.
A further dispute arose between the monk Nestorius, patriarch of Constantinople in 428, and Cyril, patriarch of Alexandria about the two natures in Christ ....
There was ferocious argument ... in which Rome joined on the side of Alexandria against the pretentious claims of the upstart see of Constantinople. Thus politics entered into the dispute.
Once again the state intervened. The third general council of the Church at Ephesus, in 431, was called by the two emperors, Theodosius II of the East and Valentinian III of the West. It condemned Nestorianism, and Nestorius was exhiled to the Egyptian desert in 435 ....
[At] the final session .... the Catholic Church in East and West accepted what is known as the .... doctrine on the Trinity.
This statement of belief, together with other doctrinal definitions ... [has] ever since been accepted by Eastern and Western Orthodox, Catholic and Protestant Christians.
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It is interesting to note that the first General Council of the Church at Niceae stated that the basic question contained in the New Testament was: Is Christ God or not? They stated that it could only be answered with a "yes" or "no." It was either true or not.
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The search for basic truth deteriorated into a widely accepted doctrine which was influenced, not by logic and biblical research, but by politics and human egotism.
Trinity Is Man-Made Concept
The facts, therefore, prove that the doctrine of the Trinity does not appear in the Bible
(15) "nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Old testament:
'Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord' (Deut. 6:4).... The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies.... By the end of the 4th century the doctrine of the Trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since."
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The controversy, indeed, was settled by man, not God. But, if God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit are not one and the same, who, or what, are they?
III. The Father
There are many words used in original Bible manuscripts which translate to the English "god." In Hebrew, there are four such words:
el,
elah,
eloah, and
elohim. These words are all common nouns which can mean "great" or "mighty" or "ruler" and are used to describe the many different gods mentioned in the Bible.
The Bible mentions that, in many cases, some mortal men are considered gods. Moses was called a god:
"And the Lord said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god [elohim]
to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brohter shall be thy prophet." (Exodus 7:1, KJV) And in the first book of the Bible, Abraham is called a god:
"The Hittites answered Abraham, 'Hear us, my lord; you are a mighty [elohim]
prince among us.'" (Genesis 23:4-5)
Angels are called gods:
"For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then you eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods [elohim]
, knowing good and evil" (Genesis 3:5, KJV)
A specific reference to a messenger of the Lord is made at Judges 13:21-22 which states:
"But the angel [elohim]
of the Lord appeared no more to Mano'ah and to his wife."
References to angels as gods are found in dozens of other places in the Bible.
Other groups, too, are called gods. In the second Old Testament book, the judges appointed by Moses are called gods:
"Then his master shall bring him unto the judges [elohim]..." (Exodus 21:6, KJV; also see Exodus 22:8-9, 28)
Even the princes of Egypt are referred to as gods:
"For I will pass through the land of Egypt that night, and I will smite all the first-born in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and on all the gods [elohim]
of Egypt [princes]
I will execute judgments: I am the Lord." (Exodus 12:12)
In the New Testament, the Greek word most translated "god" is
theos, however it is important to point-out that this word is also a common noun applied to all types of gods.
Even Jesus made mention of mortal men being called gods:
'"In your own Law it says that men are gods!" he replied.' (John 10:34, TLB)
Satan is called a god in the New testament:
"In their case the god [theos]
of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers...." (2 Corinthians 4:4) The ruler Herod is also called a god:
"On an appointed day Herod put on his royal robes, took his seat upon the throne, and made an oration to them. And the people shouted, 'The voice of a god [theos]
, and not of man!'" (Acts 12:21-22)
Since so many beings are referred to as gods, how do we know when the Bible speaks of the only true God -- the Creator of the heavens and the earth?
There Is Only One Supreme God
Although there are many words translated as "god" in the English language, the Bible clearly states that thee is but one true eternal Supreme deity and He has a name. In Bible manuscripts, God Almighty is referred to by the letters
YHWH , generally called the Tetragrammaton.
The Tetragrammaton appears in the Hebrew texts over 6,800 times and is transliterated as
Yahweh . While many Bible translators prefer "Yahweh,"
"That men may know that thou, whose name alone is Yahwev, art the most high over all the earth." (Psalms 83:18, KJV)
This name is not a common term, like "god," but is a proper and personal name for God Almighty and is not applied to any other being in the Bible.
Although some Bible translations use God's name, many other translate the Tetragrammaton as LORD or GOD.
It is easy, however, to locate where God's name should appear in most common translations, because GOD or LORD is printed in small capital letters in those places. For common uses of these words, they are printed in regular upper and lower case type.
The Bible speaks of God as being the creator of all things, but it also speaks of all things being made by the "Word."
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God ... all things were made through him ...." (John 1:1, 3)
Are the Word andYahwev the same person?
Of Course, He created the world By the word Of His mouth, and that brought forth life which is Messiah in the flesh, if there is any distinctiveness is only between the fleah of Jesus as a Biological entity and God the Father the eternal Spirit.
Everything else is just man made doctrine as I have explained where and when it began, it was not part of the church of the apostles.
Shalom
Temptations of Jesus, the Son of God
